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The gasser engine is the same basic engine that’s in the Supra. Toyota has accepted the engine on some level. The timing chain in the back of the engine does make me scratch my head on long term maintainability. Is the timing belt a lifetime component? Is it a chain?

Not sure what other engines still exist that would be good at the job. Wouldn’t want the HZ…
 
The gasser engine is the same basic engine that’s in the Supra. Toyota has accepted the engine on some level. The timing chain in the back of the engine does make me scratch my head on long term maintainability. Is the timing belt a lifetime component? Is it a chain?

Not sure what other engines still exist that would be good at the job. Wouldn’t want the HZ…
You don’t understand the number one rule of German engineering. Design the engine in such a manner that any basic service requires you to remove it completely from the vehicle, probably also remove the transmission just for the hell of it.
 
You don’t understand the number one rule of German engineering. Design the engine in such a manner that any basic service requires you to remove it completely from the vehicle, probably also remove the transmission just for the hell of it.
With the VW Touareg V10 diesel they make you drop the engine for almost anything. And I mean drop. It won’t come out upwards. I was given a 20 year old Quattro for free once by my sister. I still tell her I got ripped off. It was fun to drive for a month before the oil pump failed. After looking at all the options it went to the wrecker. German cars only under warranty.

(I also tell my wife I have a household no spaghetti car rule. Bad experience with a 1970s Lancia.)
 
Sounds like ashore but hung up in ag. Discussed in first few minutes of video below.
So now they are going to test it. In the article I read a few days ago, it seemed like they were saying testing here had been abandoned.
 
What the title says. Anyone reserve one or considering it? I got my code yesterday and I am debating it. Its fully refundable and its still two years out from the America market so I figure that gives me time to save money and see how it performs in Europe and Australia.
 
What the title says. Anyone reserve one or considering it? I got my code yesterday and I am debating it. Its fully refundable and its still two years out from the America market so I figure that gives me time to save money and see how it performs in Europe and Australia.
I’m not rich enough to spend that kind of money on a boutique product with literally no dealer network in the US.

These things are going to break, and they’re going to break hard. And no one will be able to fix them for you.
 
I’m not rich enough to spend that kind of money on a boutique product with literally no dealer network in the US.

These things are going to break, and they’re going to break hard. And no one will be able to fix them for you.
Engine has loads of parts because it has been used in tons of cars for years. Engine part sourcing won’t be an issue, and I’m sure you could easily take it to a BMW dealer or something if you can’t figure out how to fix it yourself or whatever. Unfortunate that BMW makes their engines the way they are, but it is what it is. They are very reliable and very good, however hard to fix. Other than that, yea. Expect common issues with first year vehicles. Things won’t be perfect.
 
Engine has loads of parts because it has been used in tons of cars for years. Engine part sourcing won’t be an issue, and I’m sure you could easily take it to a BMW dealer or something if you can’t figure out how to fix it yourself or whatever. Unfortunate that BMW makes their engines the way they are, but it is what it is. They are very reliable and very good, however hard to fix. Other than that, yea. Expect common issues with first year vehicles. Things won’t be perfect.
:lol: If I rolled in to our BMW dealer with one of those that would last 3 seconds before them kicking me out. I have owned multiple BMW's and know the dealers around this state. They wouldn't touch with 10ft pole. Parts? sure give the pn# and good luck chuck.
 
Engine has loads of parts because it has been used in tons of cars for years. Engine part sourcing won’t be an issue, and I’m sure you could easily take it to a BMW dealer or something if you can’t figure out how to fix it yourself or whatever. Unfortunate that BMW makes their engines the way they are, but it is what it is. They are very reliable and very good, however hard to fix. Other than that, yea. Expect common issues with first year vehicles. Things won’t be perfect.
So if my extremely expensive kit truck breaks, I’m supposed to go to a BMW dealership and pay out-of-pocket for parts, and then futz around with it myself or pay a BMW dealer $180-$250 an hour to figure out a truck they’ve never seen before, assuming they even will touch it instead of running me off the lot?
 
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So if my extremely expensive kit truck breaks, I’m supposed to go to a BMW dealership and pay out-of-pocket for parts, and then futz around with it myself or pay a BMW dealer $180-$250 an hour to figure out a truck they’ve never seen before, assuming they even will touch it instead of running me off the lot?
Perzactly!
 
You don’t understand the number one rule of German engineering. Design the engine in such a manner that any basic service requires you to remove it completely from the vehicle, probably also remove the transmission just for the hell of it.

Hello,

You forgot Rule Number Two of German Engineering: do not keep it simple because complex is better.






Juan
 
Hello,

This BMW engine issue reminds me of Chinese cars that boast a POWERED BY [MITSUBISHI/TOYOTA/MERCEDES-BENZ] ENGINE decal on them. When the time comes for a spare part, do you ask the dealer or the engine manufacturer? Sometimes the Chinese brand dealer have the part. Otherwise, good luck with whatever alternate source you get.

BMW parts are expensive, source aside. At the very least twice as much as a, say, Toyota, part.

I do hope the engine setup is reliable enough for the kind of abuse an average 70 Series can take.







Juan
 
BMW parts are far less expensive than Toyota parts ime. And the engines/cars are not that hard to work on -- RHEINGOLD tells you exactly what's wrong. The main problem is breaking s*** while you're removing everything to get at the bit you need to fix or replace.

On the other hand, maybe I'm wrong to keep thinking of 'Mud as a place where guys know how to fix their own junk rather than knowing where the nearest dealer is. 🤷
 
BMW parts are far less expensive than Toyota parts ime. And the engines/cars are not that hard to work on -- RHEINGOLD tells you exactly what's wrong. The main problem is breaking s*** while you're removing everything to get at the bit you need to fix or replace.

On the other hand, maybe I'm wrong to keep thinking of 'Mud as a place where guys know how to fix their own junk rather than knowing where the nearest dealer is. 🤷
Do you know where I can buy a M8 stud to M10 stud for the shop working on my 40? Asking for a friend.
 
Parts prices can vary greatly from country to country. That's why we buy Toyota OEM parts from the Saudis. If the BMW engine is as old as they say, there is probably an abundanace of aftermarket parts around.
 

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