Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
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BMW also uses all sorts of non standard (proprietary) connectors that cant be bypassed by normal means
Take for example their stupid radiator hoses and over flow tank connections.....
Let not get into back log of parts from the fatherland.
Like the body/features but the BMW engine/transmission is a no go for me
TCEd
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Could have done the same photo using our fj40 and gx460
This is based on the new GX.
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I would say the horsey people who miss not having a Defender will be very interested in the Ineos
Did they discontinue the defender 110?
Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
Like in 2016 or something lol
That was a mistake.
mudgudgeon
Resident galah
I mean, when you've been making the same truck for 60 years and getting progressively worse at it, at some point yah gotta just stop . . .
Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
Not rly
The 110 is like the landcruiser - it’s a durable capable off-roader used for both recreational and commercial use - often used in military operations and other stuff like that… makes 0 sense why they would discontinue a vehicle with that much relevancy.
Unless I’m wrong. Lol
Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
Old, it is basically an evolution of the Land Rover series 1 from 1948
Not great: the room inside was super tight because it was designed on a napkin to look cool, not be roomy, also Land Rover electronics have never been great and the engines were never consistently great either. Main appeal is that they were easy to fix, not that they lasted forever.
Many British military service members called them death traps, especially in Afghanistan because the body is made of paper: super thin aluminum. Not great for gunshots or IEDs.
Many international industrial operations and off road tourist companies like safaris or miners in remote places used Toyotas or Nissans, but sometimes land rovers. The defender was just dying out as the option of choice.
Sales were super low at the end of the production. Mostly British farmers, wealthy Europeans or random sales in remote countries.
The time of the Land Rover had passed
Oh well that sucks. I guess the only redeeming factor is how cool they look.
LandCruiser > Defender
But I try to open my eyes to other vehicles however I haven’t found anything I would ever sell my LC for.
mudgudgeon
Resident galah
They are very capable offroad. They are just poorly built and very primitive in terms of driver ergonomics and comfort, fit and finish, NVH insulation and quality/longevity. Particularly in comparison with the same era Japanese competitors.
An uncle had a 90s 110 defender with isuzu diesel.
He had issues with every part of that vehicle except the isuzu engine.
Saying that, it still did 600+k km before it was passed on to someone else.
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No publicly avail vehicle manufactured has body panels that will stop a bullet.
Even the purpose built military HMMWV doesnt offer meaningful protection unless its been armored after the fact.
Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
I’m not saying they did, but the defender famously didn’t give much confidence at all to the soldiers inside of it
Also many similar use military vehicles of other countries were either modified to be mostly bulletproof (humvee) or were bulletproof (MRAP) as well as being bigger, albeit humvee wasn’t a great vehicle for Afghanistan either
Stick to the merits/capabilities (or not) of the vehicles.....your argument went off the rails with the bullet proof claims
Pura Vida
What an absolute noob
The bulletproof part wasn’t to compare it to a Land Cruiser, it was to compare it to other military troop and cargo transport vehicles. Some, but not all transport vehicles are at least partly armored. I was simply saying the defender was a garbage military vehicle, which it is. I am not wrong about that.