IFS travel gain

[ats4x4dotcom]

If budget wasnt an issue, the tundra A arm and strut/shock/spring fitout onto the 100, as a coil over, with the A arms to fix the travel, and drop the diff 40mm with a new bashplate would help travel in the front, but making the A arms longer, by meeting them in closer to the centre with a double jointed top arm would work very nicely.

Dropping the steering rack down, to stop strain and wear to the bushes because of the angle with lift would also help, or converting to hyd steering to overcome that problem, because the steering racks are mega $ here, and even rebuilding them is big $.

 

[FirstToy]

Darren,
Excellent
Is the Tundra uca compatible w/ the 100? (roundabout way of asking if the Total Chaos Tundra uca would bolt into the 100)

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

we dont have tundra here, so hard to say, but i doubt it,but converting one to similar set up in the 100 is possible, by building a 100 thinking tundra, rather than try and mate a tundra front to a 100

 

[bull]

I just want 37"s damn it..I like where this thread is going

 

[calamaridog]

Good thread so far, let's keep it this way

The front suspension in the UZJ100 is more similar to the 05+ Tacoma than the Tundra. Look at the custom steering linkage on the Camburg LT kit for the 05+ Tacoma, they didn't have to relocate the rack.

Total Chaos would not be my first choice for custom work. Try Camburg or The Truck Shop in San Diego.

My long term plan involves custom upper and lower arms and coilovers. I'm not greedy, I'll settle for 10" of front travel

This will allow me to modify the rear torsion bar crossmember, since I won't be using torsion bars, and mount the Marks 4wd Cruiser Crawler:

http://www.marks4wd.com/Cruiser-Crawler.htm

Now where did I put all that spending cash?

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

John, your wrong here, if you increase the A arm length by 10% travel will increase by 10%.

This is proved by the shock being aprox 50% out from the pivot point to the wheel, so it only moves 50% up and down of what the wheel moves.

Dude. You need to actually read my posts before starting your typical "Shotts is Wrong" speech.

I never said anything about "A-arms". I responded to this question:

"then add 2" (1" wheel spacers) of track width doesn't that mean that you have added some travel? because the wheel pivots further out?"

And my response stands. On the UZJ100 you can put 10-foot, 5-foot, 6-inch, or 1-inch wheel spacers onto the stock setup and the travel will not change. (OK, don't bringup a 2* alignment issue please) On the 100's type of IFS the wheel doesn't pivot out more so there is no gain.

The wheel stays perpendicular to the ground as it travels up and down. If the wheels sits out 5-feet it still takes the same path.

 

[EL_3grab]

Guys .. im fallen love with what i see in this attachment ..

Under 500USD at most .. you can have them .. Custom Mounting not a problem .. 6 front - 10 rear ..

im really really consedring off these shocks ..

and what the benefit from Dual Rate Spring ??

 

[hoser]

and what the benefit from Dual Rate Spring ??

They're like progressive springs. The idea is that the first few inches of travel, the springs will be softer (often for a better ride on the smoother terrain). The rest of the travel will be at a higher spring rate (when it needs to be). Sounds good and works well but seems to be a preference thing. Many people prefer a straight rate spring (single coil) especially for ease of tuning.

 

[FirstToy]

jmo, some ramblings-- thoughts Darren?, hoser?

---Kings pictured are total overkill and how will they ever fit?
---swapping to coilover would require a good amount of fabrication work and possibly (as dmc alluded to) replacing all the a arms

it seems the crux of the problem is hinged on a uniball uca which solves 2 problems (theoretically anyway)
1. binding OEM ball joint (which can lead to breakage of OEM ball joint=tire falling off)
2. custom uca could make a coilover conversion possible (more room)

anyway, I have to go back and ask what the goal of the mods would be.
1. more comfortable and controlled ride over miles of washboard/desert whoop-dees for minimal cost.

I think Hoser had the answer- upgrade shocks. Maybe just getting some remote resv shocks like OME LTR's.

next step (maybe)
--custom uca's (in conjunction w/ what darren alluded to above) to gain some more travel up front w/o sacrificing strength or durability.
--bumpstops need work
--HD TRE's (I'm thinking insurance here)

--one thing that stands out is , will the cv joints be able to take the additional movement over a long period of time. Will it lead to more breakage? etc....



anywya, more thoughts. anyone have a good pic of the front susp w/ tire off?

 

[calamaridog]

---Kings pictured are total overkill and how will they ever fit?

How is it overkill to mount possibly the best shock in the world? Totally customizable and totally rebuildable. Winning races from Dakar to BAJA 1000. And they would fit very well, if a decent builder had a chance to mount them!

---swapping to coilover would require a good amount of fabrication work and possibly (as dmc alluded to) replacing all the a arms

Definitely replacing all the arms. Definintely custom/expensive. But that is the point, isn't it?


On the cheaper end of the spectrum, it wouldn't cost too much to have a custom uni-ball UCA and some 2.5 reservoir shocks mounted up. All you need is a competent fabricator

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

We have assessed the Coil over option, but havent had anyone prepared to take the $ plunge over our Bilstein Premium package as yet, but it could be made to work with a minimum of fuss, the steering rack, and ball joint are the problems to be solved for a long term [tourer, road use]

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

That works only on a live axle or an IFS that's doesn't keep the tire perpendicular to the road.
Our tires maintain their angle to the ground whether up or down and therefore having the tires out farther doesn't add to articulation.

Dude. You need to actually read my posts before starting your typical "Shotts is Wrong" speech.

I never said anything about "A-arms". I responded to this question:

"then add 2" (1" wheel spacers) of track width doesn't that mean that you have added some travel? because the wheel pivots further out?"

And my response stands. On the UZJ100 you can put 10-foot, 5-foot, 6-inch, or 1-inch wheel spacers onto the stock setup and the travel will not change. (OK, don't bringup a 2* alignment issue please) On the 100's type of IFS the wheel doesn't pivot out more so there is no gain.

The wheel stays perpendicular to the ground as it travels up and down. If the wheels sits out 5-feet it still takes the same path.

I read it John, and I mentioned A arms, to explain why you were wrong.......... thats how I know your wrong, you need to look at what you post being the root of why people tell you your wrong, not that someone is trying to tell you you made a mistake, cause and effect, here, if you dont like the effect John, its up to you to stop the cause.

The further out you move the wheel, the more it travels up and down, because you are moving the contact area further away from the pivot point, and the fixed top and bottom points, so it has to go up and down more, just like longer arms would do.

Do me a favor before you reply, draw an unequal A arm set up from front on on a bit of paper [look at the front of your truck if you dont know what that is and copy it] then draw the wheel out 2" more, 4" more and see how much further the wheel goes up and down, that way not only will you learn something, it will save you going on and on while being wrong in this thread, and you can thank me for helping you in a PM, rather than in the thread, so everyone doesnt see you admitted a mistake

 

[calamaridog]

We have assessed the Coil over option, but havent had anyone prepared to take the $ plunge over our Bilstein Premium package as yet, but it could be made to work with a minimum of fuss, the steering rack, and ball joint are the problems to be solved for a long term [tourer, road use]

I hope that Slee starts carrying the Bilsteins. I'd love to see how they compare to the current mediocre offerings.

The steering rack in the UZJ100 is strategically located in front of the diff, instead of behind, like on the older model 4runner and Tacoma. There is a clear mechanical advantage to this design, which I assume is why the newer models (FJ, Tacoma, Prado, 4th gen 4runner) have mounted it forward as well.

I believe the survivability of the steering rack should be fairly decent, although the life expectancy is certainly reduced by severe use. Replacement steering racks don't cost too much here though.

If I had the spending cash, my truck would already be under the knife.

 

[hoser]

That Camburg suspension system above starts at $5400/installed on a Tacoma. Can you imagine how much more for the first LC?

FWIW, the Camburg upper A-arms with Uniballs are $499 for a Tacoma. I think that might be more in line with what I can afford. I think I'd be happy with a little more down travel and some increased caster. Besides, I don't think I want new "Baja 1000" front fenders.

 

[calamaridog]

I can imagine

Big bucks to play with the big boys


Seriously though, people drop almost $2000 on a friggin bumper, another $1500on a roof top tent, why not invest money in the suspension too?

Maybe not $5000 but bring on the uniball UCA's and premium shocks!

Woo Hoo!

 

[spressomon]

That Camburg suspension system above starts at $5400/installed on a Tacoma. Can you imagine how much more for the first LC?

FWIW, the Camburg upper A-arms with Uniballs are $499 for a Tacoma. I think that might be more in line with what I can afford. I think I'd be happy with a little more down travel and some increased caster. Besides, I don't think I want new "Baja 1000" front fenders.

Increased caster adjustment range would be good. I am maxed out on adjustment and it is still out of spec. The highway steering is OK but not as stable as a stocker...

 

[EL_3grab]

The KingShocks Only Require a Custom Upper/Lower Mount .. Beside Any Front Travel Gain

Would They Fit with Their 3inch I.D. Spring ?

How Much The Stock UniBall Limit The Travel ?

I Don't See it That Hard To Have custom UCA and UniBall ..

 

[SINCITY100]

I can imagine

Big bucks to play with the big boys


Seriously though, people drop almost $2000 on a friggin bumper, another $1500on a roof top tent, why not invest money in the suspension too?

Maybe not $5000 but bring on the uniball UCA's and premium shocks!

Woo Hoo!

Thats a great point Cal ...

I would consider spending a FEW (thousand) more $$ on my front end, but unfortunately it always costs more to be the first one in the neighborhood to have one

 

[spressomon]

Thats a great point Cal ...

I would consider spending a FEW (thousand) more $$ on my front end, but unfortunately it always costs more to be the first one in the neighborhood to have one

Sin: This is exactly why you should be the first one in your neighborhood/USA to have this...giddy up

 

[FirstToy]

The KingShocks Only Require a Custom Upper/Lower Mount .. Beside Any Front Travel Gain

you need to figure out the correct length and exactly where the mounts need to go for the shock you intend to put in. So you need to know exactly how much additional travel you are adding before you get the shock. Lest you unintentionally use $1500 of shocks as bumpstops or limit straps.

Would They Fit with Their 3inch I.D. Spring ?

no, which is why I made my comments earlier

How Much The Stock UniBall Limit The Travel ?

stock is not a uniball. it is a standard ball joint that will bind and break, as darren alluded to earlier

I Don't See it That Hard To Have custom UCA and UniBall ..

difficulty is relative but I say do the homework first so you don't throw time & money at a problem that you never understood in the first place. That's a fools mission. (EL_3grab, I'm saying this as a general statement, not directing it at you personally at all)