All I was doing was showing my wife why we needed lockers. Nothing like a little visual presentation for her to get the idea. Even though my buddies J**P had to pull me out twice on this little trip (cause he was scared to lead) it was worth it cause now she says that I can get them. This was a day trip about 30 miles from my house going up a mountain trail looking for some indian petroglyphs, never found them although I never found the bottom of the second mud hole either