How to Guide: Roof Rust Repair by Removing Roof Skin FJ60/62

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Hi all,

Before I start, I want to give another huge shout out to @GLTHFJ60 who was instrumental in making this project happen and I cannot thank him enough for his guidance and help along the way!

For those following my build thread, I have already detailed it there but I wanted to make a separate thread that is more searchable to help guide others in this process to fix their roof rust. I'll skip the 100 pictures in my build thread and instead focus this thread on the general process and use some pics to help along the way.

I'll spare you the background but basically, like most 60s/62s, my truck had roof rust. I knew the outer skin was bad but had no idea how bad the inner section was. The PO had the rust addressed some 10+ years ago but the rust was never neutralized and just sanded and bondo'd so, naturally, the rust came back.

The plan was to remove the roof skin, repair any and all rust we found, and then weld her back up good or better than new. I could not find any guide/details/pictures/etc. of anyone else having gone about repairing roof rust by removing the roof skin like we planned to do so we were figuring it out as we went along. Not to say we were the first to do it, but I think I'm the first to post details about it. In my opinion, this is the correct way to go about addressing roof rust as you are able to see all areas that could rust on the outer and inner structures of the roof to ensure all rust is neutralized/removed. While I have seen entire roof swaps done by cutting the pillars, I learned through this process that all of these roofs have rust. It's common knowledge that these trucks rust from the inside out so while the outside may look cherry, I'm willing to bet there's rust inside. This method allows you to address all of the roof rust, inside and out.

Now let's dive into it. I'll post some pictures along the way to help but all of the pictures from the job are in my build thread for those wondering. Starting on page 13 you’ll find what my roof rust looked like from the outside after poking at the rust bubbles in the garage one day. Build Thread

I recommend pulling the interior and headliner and taping off the vents on the dash before you get started so they don't fill with dust and metal shaving. I didn’t pull my interior out of laziness but with the amount of metal dust and general crap that got everywhere during this process, I wish I had.


First task is to remove the headliner and windshield. Once done, begin removing all gutter sealant from the entire perimeter gutters and a-pillar gutters and wire wheel clean so you can clearly see each spot weld in the gutter. I ended up using a mix of flathead screwdrivers and small chisels and a hammer to get the old sealant out of the gutter channels. Followed by wire wheeling will let you will see the spot welds in the channel. These are circled below.

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Next up is to start drilling out each and every spot weld on the perimeter of the gutter and upper windshield frame. I used Rotabroach bits for this which worked well. Use a slow drill speed and lube. (Rotabroach Bits) On my truck I noticed that the spot welds on the upper windshield frame were larger than those in the gutter. Buy multiple size bits to handle different size spot welds. I used the 5/16” bit for the gutters and 7/16” for the windshield.

Once all of the spot welds are drilled out you need to cut the a-pillar gutter to separate it from the roof skin and grind out the brazing that attaches the roof skin to the top of the a-pillar. You could leave the a-pillar gutter attached but it would likely get bent up anyways so just cut it. I used a Dremel with a small cutoff wheel to do this. The approximate cut line for the roof brazing is marked below. The brazing is roughly in this area. You will see the lap once you remove the windshield. Simply cut outwards from this along the a-pillar. The roof is lapped over the pillar so do not cut straight into the pillar like I did. Cut horizontally into it to remove the braze. When you grind the paint off of that area, the braze will be clearly visible. I just don’t have a picture of it.

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Once the brazing is cut and the a-pillar gutter is separated, you are ready to pull the skin off. The top edge of the gutter on my truck was pinched in slightly so I had to pull the gutter back with some pliers so that the skin could pop out. Once removed, you’ll be left with this.

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Now I had purchased a “rust free” donor roof that looked fantastic on the outside but once I popped the skin off of that roof, the inner structure and inside of the roof skin were also very rusty. However, my existing inner structure was in much better shape than expected so we kept it and decided to cut metal from the donor structure to fix the existing one. The roof skin on the donor roof however was in better shape than mine as the back edge of mine over the rear window was about 70% gone. We cut patches from the stock roof skin to patch the donor skin.

I HIGHLY RECOMMEND GETTING A DONOR ROOF THAT IS IN DECENT SHAPE FOR THIS PROJECT!! Being able to cut and patch areas of your roof with matching sections from another roof makes this process much faster than having to make replacement patches from flat sheet.

Once the skin is removed, go ahead and wire wheel the underside of the a-pillar gutter to find the spot welds and drill the out to remove the gutter. Be careful not to punch through the pillar metal with your bit! It will be much harder to repair than punching through the gutter on the roof. I was lucky in that my truck did not have any serious rust below the gutter but it is a common place for these trucks to rust through. Pulling this gutter lets you repair any rust that is there.
 
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With the skin off, we marked areas on the inner structure that needed to be cut out and replaced. We had 3 areas total needing cut out and new metal put in. This is where the donor roof came in handy as we had to replace a compound curve on the driver rear corner. Here are 2 of the affected inner structure areas.

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On each of these 3 areas, we cut the gutter off first. With the roof skin removed, you will see that the gutter is just spot welded to the inner structure. Drill those out and use a cutoff wheel to separate the section you need and it pops right off. You’ll note the surface rust between the gutter and inner roof structure. We addressed the areas that we removed directly but for the parts of the gutter we didn’t remove I flooded the entire area with Ospho to neutralize the rust which worked well. Next is to cut out the rot.

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With the gutter removed, go ahead and patch the area. We also ground down all surface rust we found and sprayed it with weld through primer. Once you patch the inner structure as needed for your truck, it’s time to reattach the gutters. We plug welded them back to the inner structure and welded the gutter seam back up. I was lucky in that my windshield frame was solid but now is the time to repair any windshield frame rust as well. Here are the areas above completed.

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With the inner structure addressed, next step was the roof skin. You can see below the areas marked with a grease pen are on the donor roof that was “rust free” that are needing to be patched. I have included some pictures of what these areas looked like on the outside just for reference for those who see “small rust spots” on any truck they are looking to buy or their own. Those little spots are not harmless and are indicative of a much larger rust problem inside. I also have some comparison pictures of the metal we cut out of the “rust free donor roof” next to the metal we cut from my factory skin to patch.

For the roof skin, the contour is relatively the same for the full length of the skin. We had one area that was rusted on both roofs, so we simply took a section from another area and it fit great with minor massaging.

Exterior appearance of the rust
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Interior compared to patch panels
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Donor roof skin with rust cut out and ready for new metal to go in. You’ll notice I also removed all of the roof insulation with a huge wire wheel which worked a treat but made quite the mess. Definitely better to remove all of this now while the roof is off of the truck than trying to do it overhead in the truck. We also ground down any surface rust where the roof skin met the windshield header panel and the support bars inside.

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Now, when we welded the patches back into the roof skin, we set the roof skin ON THE TRUCK to make sure it held its shape. Off the truck, the roof skin is very flimsy and prone to kinking and bending. Welding in these patches on the truck helps keep it in shape.

Once all the patches were welded in, we took the skin back off to grind and prep the finished welds for primer. Now is also the time to grind down the areas where you drilled out all of the factory spot welds as there will be some height to them and they need to be knocked down before the skin goes back on an can be welded in place.

KEY NOTE: IF YOU ARE PUTTING A NEW SKIN BACK ON, THE SPOT WELDS ARE NOT THE SAME ON EVERY SKIN. These were done by hand back when they were built so the spot weld location varies.

We primed inside and outside of the skin and painted the areas where we ground off any surface rust. Key point here is that we put weld through primer on the bottom edge of the roof skin that will weld into the gutter. We also primed the inside of the gutter to ensure there is no bare metal anymore.

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Set the roof back on the truck and straighten any warpage that may have happened from your roof skin patches. Once you are happy with it, get ready to weld it back on!
To weld, we started with tacking every 3rd-4th spot weld alternating sides every ¼ of the way down the truck until the entire perimeter was welded. Once that was done, we tacked and welded the upper windshield frame and then finished welding the rest of the roof on. We didn’t get any warpage or weird behavior from the roof during welding doing it this way.

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Now at this point, we are ready to tidy up the metal work. There were a couple areas where I punched through the gutter using the rotobroach bits which needed filling and a couple where the bit started to poke through but didn’t go all the way. Make sure these are hammered flat and welded. You can also reattach the a-pillar gutters and straighten out the gutters all around the roof until you’re happy. This is also the time to chip out all of the seam sealer from underneath the gutters as it will be replaced. Chip, grind, etc. to make sure this area is clean for the new sealer. I also ground down the welds where we reattached the roof skin into the gutter and cleaned it up to get ready for primer.

For the gutter sealant, after the first coat of primer, I used 3M 08307 Self-Leveling Seam Sealer in the gutter and used about 1.5 tubes of it to fill the gutter to the top. I also used this for the a-pillars and it behaved very well. I taped the bottom of the gutter to stop it freely flowing out and the sealer filled it up nicely.

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For the underside of the gutters, I used 3M 08308 Heavy-Bodied seam sealer which was also great to work with. I applied it and then just used my finger to smooth it out. There is likely a more elegant way to do this but this worked well for me.

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From here it’s all bodywork to finish up which I won’t detail in this thread as it is focused on the metalwork however I covered the bodywork in my build thread.

However, after getting the truck back home after bodywork and paint, I did some further work to ensure the rust is not going to come back. The inner roof structure was flooded with Ospho as well as the area between the roof skin and inner structure which leads down to the gutter welds. Remember all that surface rust between the gutter and inner structure above where we took off the sections of gutter, the Ospho is addressing that right now. This will neutralize any rust on the welded areas both in the gutter and from the inner structure patches. Once dried, I followed this up with Eastwood Internal Frame Coating to seal the entire inner structure and keep it rust free.

NOTE: I taped the bottom edge of the upper door jamb along with other body seams. The body panels are not watertight and are only spot welded together so there are gaps that the OSPHO will run through. When you spray ospho in this upper structure and down the pillars, it will run out of body seams. Taping the top of the door jamb and upper windshield frame catches this to keep it from dripping all over everywhere. Keep an eye out for OSPHO dripping out on the rear doors around the wheel hump, rear hatch area, and front door jambs.

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Thanks for following along and I hope this is helpful for someone out there who wants to eliminate their roof rust the right way. I’m confident my roof will stay rust free for many more years.
 
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Wow, fantastic write-up!!
Thank you.
 
I don't think you missed anything. It was a lot of work, but not more than I expected.

I can't emphasize enough how important it is to treat and paint the "halo" structure though. That's where the rust comes from, and it's critical to treat that s***.

Killer job Chris. I'm stoked I was able to be a part of it!!
 
Awesome write-up!
You mention spraying Ospho, did you just pour some in a spray bottle and go to town? I have been brushing it on.

Thanks! I just put a nozzle straight on the bottle. Flooded the seam until it stopped fizzing 👍

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Thanks! I just put a nozzle straight on the bottle. Flooded the seam until it stopped fizzing 👍

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To add some color, ospho is phosphoric acid (and some other stuff) and doesn't degrade most plastics. Spray bottle is the best application method for this situation. It's a rust converter, and can be painted over after it dries without additional prep, which makes it ideal for hidden seams like the 60 series roof.

It's important to understand that ospho doesn't fix rust, it just neutralizes the rust that's there. A top coat is necessary to make sure rust does not continue after the ospho is applied.
 
Great write up. Curious - for the roof rust pics in the first few posts - what part of the country were these roofs in? I have an AZ truck that doesn’t show any external rust at all, but now I’m curious if mine might have hidden corrosion.
 
Great write up. Curious - for the roof rust pics in the first few posts - what part of the country were these roofs in? I have an AZ truck that doesn’t show any external rust at all, but now I’m curious if mine might have hidden corrosion.

My truck lived in AZ/TX its whole life. The donor roof was from TN but not sure where it was from originally. I know the donor roof looked really nice from the outside when I bought it. Here are some pics when I bought it.

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Awesome work and great write up. Great resource to the community!

I’m about to tackle my windshield corners as a beginner welder and the inner structure pictures and braze seam info is highly valuable.
 
Great post!
I will be tackling the roof gutter re-seal on two 60s.

-I have the 3M 08307 on order
-I have Ospho on order
-I have the applicator gun for the 3M

Did you let the 3M drip down to the bottom of the A-frame (close to bottom of windshield) and dam it up there? I saw a video on YT where someone did this on another vehicle and it worked well.

Did you have any rust on the underside of the drip rail coming through the old sealant?
 
Great post!
I will be tackling the roof gutter re-seal on two 60s.

-I have the 3M 08307 on order
-I have Ospho on order
-I have the applicator gun for the 3M

Did you let the 3M drip down to the bottom of the A-frame (close to bottom of windshield) and dam it up there? I saw a video on YT where someone did this on another vehicle and it worked well.

Did you have any rust on the underside of the drip rail coming through the old sealant?

Yes I let it flow down the a pillar and dammed it there.

There was some surface rust on the underside of the a pillar drip rail as well as a few areas around the truck where we sectioned and removed the gutter, repaired underneath, and reattached.
 
Yes I let it flow down the a pillar and dammed it there.

There was some surface rust on the underside of the a pillar drip rail as well as a few areas around the truck where we sectioned and removed the gutter, repaired underneath, and reattached.
How did you remove it? I drilled out a few spot welds this evening but it appears that that the gutter over the doors has a lip that connects with the backside of the roof?
 

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