Horrible Experience - JT Outfitters (1 Viewer)

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I loathe posting reviews like this - particularly for
a vendor that supports parts for such a niche vehicle community such as ours. And I try to extend additional grace for these vendors as I assume many of them are probably small family-owned businesses. That said, the disrespect and poor customer service from this vendor in particular was a rarity, and leads me to share my experience.

TLDR: I placed an online order with JTOutfitters for a new oil pan for my 40 with the quickest available expedited 2-day shipping (tight deadline) on 7/2. Nearly TWO WEEKS went by without a confirmation it was shipped, nor a single response to several emails I sent to them requesting a shipment update. Two weeks. (Mind you, I ordered several other 40 parts from other vendors at the same time - no issues - had them within days).

As you can imagine, my mechanic began getting quite upset that we were tying up one of their lifts/bays while waiting on this one part.

It wasn’t until yesterday (over two weeks after order was placed - 16 days) after writing JTOutfitters an email threatening to file a credit card dispute - that I FINALLY got a nearly immediate response from “Joe” at JTOutfitters.

His response? It’s not his fault, it was due to the CDK Dealership hack in June.

.

When I asked why this was the first I was hearing about any “delay”, now more than TWO WEEKS after the order was placed, this was his exact response (copy and paste): “Then you should have called. I just do not have time to be on email regularly.”

(Again, no response to my prior emails, but an immediate response after threatening a chargeback)

My reply: I hope you are kidding. If this is how you want to handle customers, so be it.

His response: 25 years, nearly 100 million in sales, this is how we do it. We never make any pretense elsewise.

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No owning that it was poor communication on their behalf. No apology. Just a really bad attempt at putting it on ME paired with an odd flex.

Needless to say, if this is “the way they do it”, this will be the first and final time I place an order with JT Outfitters for my 40.

Going forward, I’ll gladly give my business to other Land Cruiser vendors who value and respect their customers.

JTOutfitters… if you’re reading this, I have no beef with you and have no problem updating this thread if you find it in you to reach out (privately is ok) to acknowledge a ball was dropped. Mistakes happen. But it’s never ok to blame your own mistake on the customer.
 
All I got is CruiserTeq, every order from them lands quickly and they are very knowledable, Not that the JT guys are not knowledgable - I ran the JT front disc kit when I got rid of the drums, circa 2001, since went all 4 discs and used the rotors & calipers from their front kit on a custom 60 rear, over the years there has been the occasional situation posted above.
 
I like email more than the phone. I don't spend hours on hold with email. My home phone is internet based because there is and never has been cell service here - so any internet glitch disconnects the phone call.

I would think that when they take your money for expedited 2 day shipping, then they should tell you when it doesn't happen.

I have bought parts from some vendors here, mostly I'm happy. Others well ya, put the wheel cylinder on upside down and it will work. A different vendor - oh yea you need to grind the shoe to fit the adjuster width and no its not got a tapered slot to help center the shoe. No comment why the inside seal doesn't have the seal support piece over the spring.
 
I like email more than the phone. I don't spend hours on hold with email. My home phone is internet based because there is and never has been cell service here - so any internet glitch disconnects the phone call.

I would think that when they take your money for expedited 2 day shipping, then they should tell you when it doesn't happen.

I have bought parts from some vendors here, mostly I'm happy. Others well ya, put the wheel cylinder on upside down and it will work. A different vendor - oh yea you need to grind the shoe to fit the adjuster width and no its not got a tapered slot to help center the shoe. No comment why the inside seal doesn't have the seal support piece over the spring.
Agreed, for many reasons.

Namely, should questions ever arise - all communications are documented and readily accessible vs. “he-said/she-said” on the phone.
 
Are they a drop shipper? Because the CDK issue would explain that. They could not order any parts from Mr T to drop ship.

All dealerships got caught with their dicks in their hands for a few weeks to almost a month because of the ransomware attack to CDK.

Did they put a banner message or anything like that?
 
Are they a drop shipper? Because the CDK issue would explain that. They could not order any parts from Mr T to drop ship.

All dealerships got caught with their dicks in their hands for a few weeks to almost a month because of the ransomware attack to CDK.

Did they put a banner message or anything like that?
No clue re: them being a drop shipper. And no notification or announcement on their website/time of order or any subsequent follow-up emails (until this last one threatening chargeback).
 
File a complaint with the North Carolina Consumer Complaints.
 
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I have ordered from them previously and never had a problem. That being said, this forum is littered with stories from members having issues with them. Unfortunately, you are not the first.
 
I loathe posting reviews like this - particularly for
a vendor that supports parts for such a niche vehicle community such as ours. And I try to extend additional grace for these vendors as I assume many of them are probably small family-owned businesses. That said, the disrespect and poor customer service from this vendor in particular was a rarity, and leads me to share my experience.

TLDR: I placed an online order with JTOutfitters for a new oil pan for my 40 with the quickest available expedited 2-day shipping (tight deadline) on 7/2. Nearly TWO WEEKS went by without a confirmation it was shipped, nor a single response to several emails I sent to them requesting a shipment update. Two weeks. (Mind you, I ordered several other 40 parts from other vendors at the same time - no issues - had them within days).

As you can imagine, my mechanic began getting quite upset that we were tying up one of their lifts/bays while waiting on this one part.

It wasn’t until yesterday (over two weeks after order was placed - 16 days) after writing JTOutfitters an email threatening to file a credit card dispute - that I FINALLY got a nearly immediate response from “Joe” at JTOutfitters.

His response? It’s not his fault, it was due to the CDK Dealership hack in June.

.

When I asked why this was the first I was hearing about any “delay”, now more than TWO WEEKS after the order was placed, this was his exact response (copy and paste): “Then you should have called. I just do not have time to be on email regularly.”

(Again, no response to my prior emails, but an immediate response after threatening a chargeback)

My reply: I hope you are kidding. If this is how you want to handle customers, so be it.

His response: 25 years, nearly 100 million in sales, this is how we do it. We never make any pretense elsewise.

——


No owning that it was poor communication on their behalf. No apology. Just a really bad attempt at putting it on ME paired with an odd flex.

Needless to say, if this is “the way they do it”, this will be the first and final time I place an order with JT Outfitters for my 40.

Going forward, I’ll gladly give my business to other Land Cruiser vendors who value and respect their customers.

JTOutfitters… if you’re reading this, I have no beef with you and have no problem updating this thread if you find it in you to reach out (privately is ok) to acknowledge a ball was dropped. Mistakes happen. But it’s never ok to blame your own mistake on the customer.
joe is a pompous azz
 
A lot of the older Land Cruiser guys still like to do business on the phone. They can walk back and look at the part on the shelf and say yes we have that. when can a computer do that. Look at Mark A, @65swb45 , he has been going for something like 30 years and does all of his by phone, no one seems to complain.

I run into this with my work as well. I prefer a real time phone conversation, rather than waiting for a text or email response. SMALL companies can not always afford to have the best website and online shipping. Sometimes it is them, that have to fill the orders and get them shipped out. Always better to call.

Just my 2 cents as a small business owner, and yes I have and do buy parts from JT Outfitters.
 
30 years owning cruisers and through the 25 years JT outfitters has been in business I have never found the need to order anything from them. For OEM parts look at a dealer or some place that has physical stock (and a decent reputation). Oil pans are listed at $300 at JT's when Toyota discount dealers can get them at closer to $200. Find a system of suppliers and leave JT's off that list.
 

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