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no cheby
helping friend do hydro assist, using a rod end clevis?
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That is what he origionally had on order. I talked him into thsi type: Burden Sales Surplus Center Item Detail
Look at post 16 for parts list
Look at post 16 for parts list
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he has a saginaw so he is good to go. Just waiting on the parts. He is supposed to come by when they are in. SInce I bought the same stuff (going to his house so my wife is none the wiser), I'll have to put a saginaw in mine.
Haven't broken anything on mine yet...
Then again, I pay attention to what I'm doing. Haven't gotten around to machining a spacer to internally limit the travel of my 1.5x8" ram.
Ya'll need 7" throw if he has stock steering arms on the axle.
Still, best to measure.
Not buying the rocklogic ram kit or similar is not smart.
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why not smart? I won't mention the business, but one that makes the kits told me to run a 6" ram (or there 6" ram kit). I have bought my neighbor's parts and my parts for less than one kit costs.
Please explain your statement.
Please explain your statement.
Rams in the kits like the rocklogic one are appropriate for the application, much more compact, plus you want heims on it, NOT clevis for steering. See post 42 above.
A friend of mine ran a cheap cylinder like the ones you purchased. It did not last long at all. I've also been told that some of the cheap rams not necessarily meant for steering do not have equal force in both directions. Might not be true, but worth checking into.
If your buddy has stock steering arms, the "guy who makes the kit" is wrong.
6" is only right if you have histeer arms, as they are shorter than stock arms.
What are those tires, 35's? Even with a locker your neighbor doesn't need assist. With a 2" bore ram it's going to drive worse with it than without.
A friend of mine ran a cheap cylinder like the ones you purchased. It did not last long at all. I've also been told that some of the cheap rams not necessarily meant for steering do not have equal force in both directions. Might not be true, but worth checking into.
If your buddy has stock steering arms, the "guy who makes the kit" is wrong.
6" is only right if you have histeer arms, as they are shorter than stock arms.
What are those tires, 35's? Even with a locker your neighbor doesn't need assist. With a 2" bore ram it's going to drive worse with it than without.
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My high steer arms are way longer then the stock arms.
My Tie Rod and Drag link are both 6 1/2" from the center of the Diff housing.
My Tie Rod and Drag link are both 6 1/2" from the center of the Diff housing.
Lotsa bad/misinformation here.
There is no single ram that is "appropriate" for the situation. There are too many variables that go into which ram is the "perfect" one. The best way to deal with the situation is to measure and figure out what you really need. The buy from there. No one can tell you what you need.
The "cheap" (clevis) cylinders work just fine. They will not die any faster than one with heims on the ends. They are just harder to mount, because you have to make them parallel to the tierod that is moving, which also travels up and down a bit (in addition to back and forth). More complicated does not always mean bad. There are lots of people using the Ag rams with great success..
There is nothing special about the rocklogic rams. They are simply welded rams with heims on the ends. Same thing that Surplus center sells. Nothing else.
All single ended rams will provide more assist one direction that the other. The reason for this is that the actual piston area of the ram is smaller on one side (the shaft gets in the way). Smaller actual piston area = less assist. It has nothing to do with the quality of the ram. If that is a huge concern to you, get a double ended ram and go full hydro.
There is no single ram that is "appropriate" for the situation. There are too many variables that go into which ram is the "perfect" one. The best way to deal with the situation is to measure and figure out what you really need. The buy from there. No one can tell you what you need.
The "cheap" (clevis) cylinders work just fine. They will not die any faster than one with heims on the ends. They are just harder to mount, because you have to make them parallel to the tierod that is moving, which also travels up and down a bit (in addition to back and forth). More complicated does not always mean bad. There are lots of people using the Ag rams with great success..
There is nothing special about the rocklogic rams. They are simply welded rams with heims on the ends. Same thing that Surplus center sells. Nothing else.
All single ended rams will provide more assist one direction that the other. The reason for this is that the actual piston area of the ram is smaller on one side (the shaft gets in the way). Smaller actual piston area = less assist. It has nothing to do with the quality of the ram. If that is a huge concern to you, get a double ended ram and go full hydro.
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OK now for mounting the hydro assist. I was thinking that a PSC motorsports 1.25" TR clamp would work: (SC-CL08-K) 1.25 Tie Rod Clamp [SC-CL08-K] - $41.35 : PSC Motorsports, Off-Road Steering Experts but, the 60 series axle is 30mm or 1 3/16" which is 1/16th shy of 1.25" for the clamp. Can he put some sort of thick rubber or something as a spacer for the clamp? Or is there a better way to make a clamp to attach the push rod?
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Glad someone said it..
I don't mind welding directly to the Tie rod.
It only gives you full turn adjustment, but that is not a huge deal in my book at all..
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I am only thinking about future projects where he and later I might need to adjsut Toe. I suppose a little misalignemtn is already built into the TR so adjusting a bit, even with a welded mounting point, won't be too much trouble.
You could almost put that in your sig line. 
Thanks for keeping everybody building safe rigs.
Thanks for keeping everybody building safe rigs.
I'll go ahead and say it...
"Bailey is an idiot"
Guess I should have kept it at "This is what I did and it works really well for me" and not pretended to know crap I don't.
Thanks for setting the record (and me) straight.
But I do still think he should use a rocklogic or similar welded 1.5" ram.
So what would you recomend for my setup? I think I need a 7".
Rockstomper lists them 6" and 8"
Netfirms Commerce Pro
Trail Gear lists the 6" for Toyota and 8" for Dana's
Trail-Gear Hydro Ram Assist Hydraulic Hardware
Rocklogics website must be down because I cannot get connected to it here at the office. www.rocklogic4x4.com
Dan
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We figured it out for the negihbor. He has been ill for the past few months. At his age, the heat kicks his butt.
We are doign it like Dustys, On the Tie rod. Mine will get HIgh steer arms when I can finally get it done.
We are doign it like Dustys, On the Tie rod. Mine will get HIgh steer arms when I can finally get it done.
And your neighbor has stock stuff, I don't.
