helping friend do hydro assist, using a rod end clevis?

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no cheby
 
But, I don't want him to get the wrong stuff or not do it right.




Then why in the world are you using that style of hydraulic cylinder?




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he has a saginaw so he is good to go. Just waiting on the parts. He is supposed to come by when they are in. SInce I bought the same stuff (going to his house so my wife is none the wiser), I'll have to put a saginaw in mine.
 
Shorter is better.

Mace pointed out that too long of one will smash your steering stops and then break the tie rod ends.

Haven't broken anything on mine yet...
Then again, I pay attention to what I'm doing. Haven't gotten around to machining a spacer to internally limit the travel of my 1.5x8" ram.

They are both running FJ 60 Axles as well.
Ya'll need 7" throw if he has stock steering arms on the axle.

Still, best to measure.

Not buying the rocklogic ram kit or similar is not smart.
 
why not smart? I won't mention the business, but one that makes the kits told me to run a 6" ram (or there 6" ram kit). I have bought my neighbor's parts and my parts for less than one kit costs.

Please explain your statement.
 
Rams in the kits like the rocklogic one are appropriate for the application, much more compact, plus you want heims on it, NOT clevis for steering. See post 42 above.

A friend of mine ran a cheap cylinder like the ones you purchased. It did not last long at all. I've also been told that some of the cheap rams not necessarily meant for steering do not have equal force in both directions. Might not be true, but worth checking into.

If your buddy has stock steering arms, the "guy who makes the kit" is wrong.
6" is only right if you have histeer arms, as they are shorter than stock arms.

What are those tires, 35's? Even with a locker your neighbor doesn't need assist. With a 2" bore ram it's going to drive worse with it than without.
 
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My high steer arms are way longer then the stock arms.


If your buddy has stock steering arms, the "guy who makes the kit" is wrong.
6" is only right if you have histeer arms, as they are shorter than stock arms.


My Tie Rod and Drag link are both 6 1/2" from the center of the Diff housing.
 
Lotsa bad/misinformation here.

There is no single ram that is "appropriate" for the situation. There are too many variables that go into which ram is the "perfect" one. The best way to deal with the situation is to measure and figure out what you really need. The buy from there. No one can tell you what you need.

The "cheap" (clevis) cylinders work just fine. They will not die any faster than one with heims on the ends. They are just harder to mount, because you have to make them parallel to the tierod that is moving, which also travels up and down a bit (in addition to back and forth). More complicated does not always mean bad. There are lots of people using the Ag rams with great success..

There is nothing special about the rocklogic rams. They are simply welded rams with heims on the ends. Same thing that Surplus center sells. Nothing else.

All single ended rams will provide more assist one direction that the other. The reason for this is that the actual piston area of the ram is smaller on one side (the shaft gets in the way). Smaller actual piston area = less assist. It has nothing to do with the quality of the ram. If that is a huge concern to you, get a double ended ram and go full hydro.
 
Lotsa bad/misinformation here.

There is no single ram that is "appropriate" for the situation. There are too many variables that go into which ram is the "perfect" one. The best way to deal with the situation is to measure and figure out what you really need. The buy from there. No one can tell you what you need.

The "cheap" (clevis) cylinders work just fine. They will not die any faster than one with heims on the ends. They are just harder to mount, because you have to make them parallel to the tierod that is moving, which also travels up and down a bit (in addition to back and forth). More complicated does not always mean bad. There are lots of people using the Ag rams with great success..

There is nothing special about the rocklogic rams. They are simply welded rams with heims on the ends. Same thing that Surplus center sells. Nothing else.

All single ended rams will provide more assist one direction that the other. The reason for this is that the actual piston area of the ram is smaller on one side (the shaft gets in the way). Smaller actual piston area = less assist. It has nothing to do with the quality of the ram. If that is a huge concern to you, get a double ended ram and go full hydro.

Glad someone said it..
 
OK now for mounting the hydro assist. I was thinking that a PSC motorsports 1.25" TR clamp would work: (SC-CL08-K) 1.25 Tie Rod Clamp [SC-CL08-K] - $41.35 : PSC Motorsports, Off-Road Steering Experts but, the 60 series axle is 30mm or 1 3/16" which is 1/16th shy of 1.25" for the clamp. Can he put some sort of thick rubber or something as a spacer for the clamp? Or is there a better way to make a clamp to attach the push rod?

I don't mind welding directly to the Tie rod.

It only gives you full turn adjustment, but that is not a huge deal in my book at all..
 
I am only thinking about future projects where he and later I might need to adjsut Toe. I suppose a little misalignemtn is already built into the TR so adjusting a bit, even with a welded mounting point, won't be too much trouble.
 
Lotsa bad/misinformation here.


I'll go ahead and say it...

"Bailey is an idiot" :flipoff2:


Guess I should have kept it at "This is what I did and it works really well for me" and not pretended to know crap I don't. :doh:

Thanks for setting the record (and me) straight.

But I do still think he should use a rocklogic or similar welded 1.5" ram. :flipoff2:
 
I measured mine the way the guy from PSC told me to and and it is 7 1/4" on my FJ 60 front axle.

I do have the 4x4 labs highsteer/rear steer setup which adds to the distance between the axle housing and the tie rod though.

My high steer arms are way longer then the stock arms. My Tie Rod and Drag link are both 6 1/2" from the center of the Diff housing.

There is no single ram that is "appropriate" for the situation. There are too many variables that go into which ram is the "perfect" one. The best way to deal with the situation is to measure and figure out what you really need. The buy from there. No one can tell you what you need.


So what would you recomend for my setup? I think I need a 7".

Rockstomper lists them 6" and 8"
Netfirms Commerce Pro

Trail Gear lists the 6" for Toyota and 8" for Dana's
Trail-Gear Hydro Ram Assist Hydraulic Hardware

Rocklogics website must be down because I cannot get connected to it here at the office. www.rocklogic4x4.com
Dan
 
We figured it out for the negihbor. He has been ill for the past few months. At his age, the heat kicks his butt.

We are doign it like Dustys, On the Tie rod. Mine will get HIgh steer arms when I can finally get it done.
 

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