HDJ81 1HD-T BEB replaced

[roscoFJ73]

I've also got a HDJ81 Ive imported from Japan - she's got 104Km on the clock. I live in Zambia. The BEB thread(s) have got me concerned, and I've tried to source someone that will replace them. Zambia won't touch them, and even Toyota South Africa won't touch them - they said they'd farm it out to an engineer. The mechanic said he wouldn't open it without the engine losing oil or clicking....

Confuterated in Zambia...

Try the guys on the SA landcruiser forum. They are well informed on this matter and know who can do it

http://www.landcruiserclub.co.za/cms/index.php?name=Forums

It shouldnt be ignored as it can be catastophic and getting someone to fix it will be a damn sight harder in Zambia

 

[Towpack]

One important thing thats missing from an otherwise informative thread is the tightening/torque method used to correctly re-install the bearing cap bolts.

What is the initial torque setting??
From there is it 90 degrees for each bolt then a further 90??

Also, from what i have read so far here and in other threads, most people are finding that they are able to replace the bearings with the standard sized bearing shells and the tolerances are with in spec. Is that correct?? (Nobody seems to have done the precautionary bearing change, only to find the crank needs to be removed, machined and oversized shells used)

Cheers,
Pete.

Tightening spec for the conn rod cap bolts is :

1.Torque to 27ft/lb

2.Tighten a further 90degrees.That's it.

Most people are changing their BEB's as a precautionary measure,before any symptoms appear although wether the bearing problem gives any symptoms at all before one of them 'lets go' is open to question.Some say suspect bearings give a ticking sound,others say they give no warning at all which makes the problem much more dangerous.
IMO if the crank has suffered enough damage to require regrinding then there will be some evidence in the form of a tick or knock of some sort.

I had no symptoms on my LC but decided to check/renew the BEB's after reading up on the issue.I simply changed them for new ones of the same size and all seems well.It's a relatively cheap DIY fix.Removing engine/crank for refurb is ££££

 

[Greg H.]

Very informitive thread!

 

[Tapage]

Isn't the 1PZ an HZ without #2 cylinder? if so then i would figure it should be the same parts.

IMOP and as far as I know yes .. it's a 1HZ without a one cilinder .. ( threre is some weird balancers on the fleewheel clutch assemble I believe to compensate the 5 cilinder vibration )

Anyone do a PZ and see signs of imminent failure?

Here all PZ havent a great fame .. but I believe it's a great engine anycase .. but comonly less apreciated than any 1HZ .. ( that it's pretty common here )

 

[Greg H.]

Here all PZ havent a great fame .. but I believe it's a great engine anycase .. but comonly less apreciated than any 1HZ .. ( that it's pretty common here )

Out of curiosity, where is "here"?

 

[canucksafari]

Just a wild guess but I bet it is somewhere in the Americas where big boats go to take a shortcut from one ocean to the other.

 

[Tapage]

Just a wild guess but I bet it is somewhere in the Americas where big boats go to take a shortcut from one ocean to the other.

You win .. !

Out of curiosity, where is "here"?

Panamá

 

[Khorrassany]

I know this has been discussed a lot on a lot of forums, but I want to make sure of this piece of information. A friend of mine told me that Toyota has different BEB's on the market and if I check the parts catalog I should find the old part number "obsolete" and the the new part number that should work fine. If this is true can someone post the the two part numbers, plus the ACL part number as well to avoid any mistakes.

Thanks in advance
Issa

 

[wussyPup]

ACL part number is 6B839, see ACL website for specs and applications.

EPC shows


I don't know if the newer OEM parts are better than ACL or not; if I were doing it again, I would use ACL.

g'luck, -Steve

 

[Khorrassany]

Thank you Steve...I guess I'll be using the ACL as well.

Cheers
Issa

 

[Cañonero]

I'm going mad choosing the right BEB.

I have a HDJ81 japanese imported also, year 1991.

First time I went to purchase the stock BEB in Toyota, they told me that they had different sizes, so I had to tell them the size. They couldn't tell as my track is japanese and the frame number doesn't mean anything for the spanish Toyota software.

Then a friend told me that was wrong, that is the same size for all 1HD-T engines, but the thing is each cylinder has different sizes and, he added "it's quite confusing to choose what bearing size matches each cylinder, due to a weird japanese numeration system, so take care with what you do".

Then another friend told me about the ACL BEB's, and he said: "you can't go wrong with those, cause they are one size for all".

Then I rang the ACL dealer and he wanted to know if I wanted standard or oversized bearings.

And now, I see wussywup thread, and, if I understood it well, ACL bearings are also different sizes for each cylinder.

To make things worse, I have just bee told that maybe not all the 1HD-T engines have the same bearings.

Can somebody help me to clarify what size of bearings do I have to order, I might be so stupid or this thing too complicated.

 

[wussyPup]

I was advised to use ACL standard size, plasti-gauge each during the install, and buy over size if any did not plasti-gauge within spec. All of mine were OK and I haven't read about anyone needing to use over size.

My inexperienced guess is that the over size bearings are intended for use if the crank journals have been machined.

G'luck, -Steve

 

[Cañonero]

Thank you Wussy Wup.

The problem is that I order the bearings from England, and takes 5 days or so to arrive.

So if I find out I need oversized during the install, I'll have to leave the car in the garage for five days or more. But that's not very likely to happen as you said.

So, are the all 6 ACL bearings the same size or are they different sized for each cylinder like Toyota ones?. I'm worried about this cause I heard of a guy that installed Toyota ones in the incorrect order and found himself rebuilding the engine 15000 Km after.

 

[Greg_B]

Canonero, not saying it would never happen, but we have yet to see, or hear of a set of ACL's not fitting to spec on an HD-T engine.

 

[Enigma]

Now that most of us had our 81's for awhile, and replaced the BEB's, has anyone inspected the new bearings after several thousand k's to see how they are holding up?

 

[Cañonero]

Canonero, not saying it would never happen, but we have yet to see, or hear of a set of ACL's not fitting to spec on an HD-T engine.

Sure, I don't worry about the ACL's not fittig to spec, I just worry about my mechanic not being able to choose which bearing is the right one for each cylinders. (You don't know spanish mechanics, I could write a book on them).

That's why I want to know if each bearing from the set of 6 ACL bearing is the same as the other 5, or, like Toyota's, they have different sizes for each cylinder.

 

[Greg_B]

Same.

 

[ForealBoreal]

ok can someone explain the "plasti-gauge"
i am importing in august and i am just sorting out my stuff right now
can you give me a bit more info on it?

 

[wussyPup]

Plasti-gauge is used to measure clearances between assembled components, like crankshafts and con-rods. Here's a good writeup - How to use plastigage to measure clearances | eHow.com

 

[ForealBoreal]

awesome
thanks for the help!