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[drowningman]

By contrast the Nav Update in the 2013+ Entune HDD Based System has gotten quite complex. I suppose due to DVD Piracy there is now a 3 part system. First you have to have a USB Fob with the correct Map version (This is known as a SST or Special Service Tool kept at the dealer). Second you must purchase a license key from the parts department. Third the license key and VIN must be registered in Techstream to produce a code to update..

Attached is the TSB that details the process. I happen to know this because my SO's 2012 ATP Prius uses the same system and update.

Call to an online Toyota Parts place yielded a price of $152.50 for the license key "pamphlet" part #86271-HDD07-00. Local dealer quoted an hour of labor to install (once I found someone who knew what I was talking about). If you have TIS access and can generate the key needed you can purchase the USB fob yourself Maps come out around Sept labeled as the following years update (2014 Map update has 2013 maps). For those with TIS access that can register the key, the part is TOYH-EXT01-14 AKA SST (special service tool), available from 800-933-8335 listed in the TSB.

This is extremely lame to say in an offroad oriented forum but what's frustrating is that the Nav update is also the only way to update the Gracenote CD database. Our old Honda Pilot provided the Gracenote updates for free download apart from the Nav Updates.

There hasn't been a whole lot of new road construction around here lately for me to warrant an update and like most will say who doesn't use their smartphone to actually navigate these days.

So for clarity (haha) there are 3 pieces of software to keep the Infotainment up to date on the newer 200's
NAV/Maps - Via USB Fob and License Key Purchase from Toyota requiring TIS access
Gracenote Database - "Free" with USB Nav Update
Entune App Suite - Updated via the Entune App connection on Smartphone over Bluetooth.

Sad too that the Entune apps havent been updated so we can use the new data services like traffic and weather that are available on the newer versions like the Corolla and 2014 Tundra instead of relying on purchasing those services from XM. Could care less about Facebook and Yelp.

 

[kevinfoutch]

I recently updated my 2011 Navigation DVD and wanted to share my experience. I purchased the DVD from toyotapart dot com for about $169 and the transaction was easy. Once it arrived, however, I ran into issues with locating the DVD player in my 2011 LC.

Many other posters here commented on the DVD player being beneath the passenger seat or behind the fold-down display of the head unit where the maps are displayed. Neither was the case for me - turns out it was in my glovebox. Next step of the process had me struggling to find the eject button - there was nothing physically on the player inside the glovebox (I even partially disassembled based on similar instructions for replacing in-cabin air filter).

Also, for the record, I have the rear-seat entertainment unit with the 6 disc DVD changer, but I knew that wasn't the location as there were no pre-existing DVD's for GPS located there.

I searched over and over within the 'Maps' & 'Setup' menu of the head unit thinking it had to be there.

Finally, after several false starts, I called the local Toyota dealership and spoke to a service technician (gratis) who walked me through the menu path to eject current disc. It was located under the 'Info(phone)' menu, not the 'Map' or 'Setup' as I incorrectly assumed before.

See attached photo for reference.

Once the old disc was ejected, new disc went in easily enough - update itself took only a couple of minutes once I knew where the eject button was located!

Good luck.

 

[Sinister]

I recently updated my 2011 Navigation DVD and wanted to share my experience. I purchased the DVD from toyotapart dot com for about $169 and the transaction was easy. Once it arrived, however, I ran into issues with locating the DVD player in my 2011 LC.

Many other posters here commented on the DVD player being beneath the passenger seat or behind the fold-down display of the head unit where the maps are displayed. Neither was the case for me - turns out it was in my glovebox. Next step of the process had me struggling to find the eject button - there was nothing physically on the player inside the glovebox (I even partially disassembled based on similar instructions for replacing in-cabin air filter).

Also, for the record, I have the rear-seat entertainment unit with the 6 disc DVD changer, but I knew that wasn't the location as there were no pre-existing DVD's for GPS located there.

I searched over and over within the 'Maps' & 'Setup' menu of the head unit thinking it had to be there.

Finally, after several false starts, I called the local Toyota dealership and spoke to a service technician (gratis) who walked me through the menu path to eject current disc. It was located under the 'Info(phone)' menu, not the 'Map' or 'Setup' as I incorrectly assumed before.

See attached photo for reference.

Once the old disc was ejected, new disc went in easily enough - update itself took only a couple of minutes once I knew where the eject button was located!

Good luck.

I have a 2011 as well and still have the original version. Do you notice anything different with the new disk?

 

[kevinfoutch]

I have a 2011 as well and still have the original version. Do you notice anything different with the new disk?

I noticed more improvements with the interface, the color scheme, graphics were more refined, and it is easier to read. These struck me more-so than the inclusion of any 'missing' roads or points of interest. But, this will vary by location as it seems not all GPS sourced maps get updated every year. Admittedly, I didn't update because I knew the 2011 navigation disc was missing current roads that affected my daily commute; I did it as a precautionary measure mostly (and I'm sure most of us have google maps on our phones too).

 

[MScruiser]

If only we could find a bootleg version of the disk...

 

[Sinister]

I noticed more improvements with the interface, the color scheme, graphics were more refined, and it is easier to read. These struck me more-so than the inclusion of any 'missing' roads or points of interest. But, this will vary by location as it seems not all GPS sourced maps get updated every year. Admittedly, I didn't update because I knew the 2011 navigation disc was missing current roads that affected my daily commute; I did it as a precautionary measure mostly (and I'm sure most of us have google maps on our phones too).

Thank you, as much as I think the Toyota GPS sucks a** I really should get a current edition.

 

[Markuson]

Thank you, as much as I think the Toyota GPS sucks a** I really should get a current edition.

I "updated" mine the cheap way: I turned the GPS screen off.

..and rely on either a phone, iPad...or a dedicated GPS when in the boonies.
My 2008 GPS is SO rudimentary by today's standards that I'm happier with the screen turned off. It turns on when I make other adjustments to climate, etc.... Funny how quickly tech matures. In 2008, there was no such thing as an iPad. Now? My cellular iPad has GPS and it kicks booty.

 

[Sinister]

I "updated" mine the cheap way: I turned the GPS screen off.

..and rely on either a phone, iPad...or a dedicated GPS when in the boonies.
My 2008 GPS is SO rudimentary by today's standards that I'm happier with the screen turned off. It turns on when I make other adjustments to climate, etc.... Funny how quickly tech matures. In 2008, there was no such thing as an iPad. Now? My cellular iPad has GPS and it kicks booty.

You are exactly right. I always use my iPhone anyway too. I use Waze and google maps almost exclusively anyway because for some reason Toyota nav takes me the most spastic ways sometime.

 

[Sinister]

I recently updated my 2011 Navigation DVD and wanted to share my experience. I purchased the DVD from toyotapart dot com for about $169 and the transaction was easy. Once it arrived, however, I ran into issues with locating the DVD player in my 2011 LC.

Many other posters here commented on the DVD player being beneath the passenger seat or behind the fold-down display of the head unit where the maps are displayed. Neither was the case for me - turns out it was in my glovebox. Next step of the process had me struggling to find the eject button - there was nothing physically on the player inside the glovebox (I even partially disassembled based on similar instructions for replacing in-cabin air filter).

Also, for the record, I have the rear-seat entertainment unit with the 6 disc DVD changer, but I knew that wasn't the location as there were no pre-existing DVD's for GPS located there.

I searched over and over within the 'Maps' & 'Setup' menu of the head unit thinking it had to be there.

Finally, after several false starts, I called the local Toyota dealership and spoke to a service technician (gratis) who walked me through the menu path to eject current disc. It was located under the 'Info(phone)' menu, not the 'Map' or 'Setup' as I incorrectly assumed before.

See attached photo for reference.

Once the old disc was ejected, new disc went in easily enough - update itself took only a couple of minutes once I knew where the eject button was located!

Good luck.

Is this the latest version
86271-GEN06-15 - NAVIGATION UPGRADE DISC
Or is there a new one coming out? I don't want to order this and find out a new one is to be released next week or something.

 

[kevinfoutch]

Is this the latest version
86271-GEN06-15 - NAVIGATION UPGRADE DISC
Or is there a new one coming out? I don't want to order this and find out a new one is to be released next week or something.

It appears to be the latest offered on their website but I'd shoot their customer service department that question to see when next scheduled update is planned.

Sent from my SM-G920V

 

[Like2Detail]

Throw the old NAV disc on eBay. A guy that I work with bought an older V8 4Runner a few years back. He upgraded his disc to the current one for the typical $150. Threw the old one on eBay and got like 80 bucks for it. Seems there are used car dealers that buy trucks at auction with missing NAV discs so they will do anything to save a buck. Worth a shot, might get half back [emoji6]


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[CLHickman]

Has anyone updated their 2013+ Navigation? I'm not getting the vibe that anyone messes with the nav after purchase.

 

[T4Runner]

My understanding is that an update was to be released in 12/2015. I'm planning to have the dealer install it when I go in for my annual state inspection in 2/2016.

 

[gaijin]

Has anyone updated their 2013+ Navigation? I'm not getting the vibe that anyone messes with the nav after purchase.

I did ... and it was a royal pain. We have to buy an update "license" from the dealer. Dealer then has to purchase a special Nav Updater which gets hooked up to the NAV in our LC's. Dealer also has to purchase update software module. The code from our purchased "license" is entered into the Nav Updater along with the appropriate NAV software module and voila ... 200 dollars (give or take) later your NAV is updated.

There is no way of knowing up front what, exactly, will be updated. In my case, the areas I travel look exactly the same before and after update.

Maybe I'll give it another go in a couple of years, but somehow I don't think so.

It used to be much nicer when all we had to do was buy a DVD, stick it in the NAV and watch it update - cheaper, faster, better. Only problem was, folks could pirate the DVD which resulted in Toyota losing all that revenue. So now, we pay the price.

HTH

 

[CLHickman]

My understanding is that an update was to be released in 12/2015. I'm planning to have the dealer install it when I go in for my annual state inspection in 2/2016.

Did you buy chance get this update when you went in? We're currently in a 2016 loaner with updated maps and it's alright. Curious if you pulled the trigger and believe it was a good choice.

 

[T4Runner]

When I went in the service guy talked me out of it saying he'd wait another year or two due to cost and the fact that there's not much different. Not sure why he was so adamant but I figured I could wait so I did...

 

[Romer]

Unless you drive a lot in completely new hoods that were just built adding streets that didnt exist before, not sure why you would spend the time and money to update the Nav.

For those rare occasions Google maps is pretty good

Just my 2cents

 

[CLHickman]

@T4Runner, Thank you! That does help a lot and adds to @gaijin's comment.

@Romer, I agree 100% and have compared our nav routing vs. Google Maps. Google is better in almost every fashion and includes real time traffic to boot. No need for a limited XM subscription.

My real thought was whether it was worth the money they charge. @gaijin updated his with almost no noticeable change. We do travel and I try to minimize the amount of electronic noise in any of our vehicles, e.g. phones, external nav, music players, and so on. If we can consolidate we try to. We don't have buckets of money laying around so we need to justify our purchases.

I really wish Toyota would just acknowledge and enable Adroid Auto already.

 

[lmud]

This was on one of the sites, thought I'd post it