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And parts I sell go into the build budget. I got 150 for the fender and 175 for the other. I couldn't justify cutting into good fenders when other guys are trying to build a clean 80. Anyway, this rig is helping others get pretty.
 
No. I want to keep center of gravity as low as I can get it. I almost sold this rig before I got in one the major work. The time consuming labor oriented mods keep me entertained and keeps me from selling it.

Well, a body lift doesn't raise much weight (a fraction of what a suspension lift does).

But....

Or just opening up the wheel wells - which won't effect the COG. But neither is as cool (but hell of alot easier) as tube fenders styled like a 55 - which I'm curious to see how they turn out.

^^ What he said.
 
No. I want to keep center of gravity as low as I can get it. I almost sold this rig before I got in one the major work. The time consuming labor oriented mods keep me entertained and keeps me from selling it.

A body lift doesn't raise the center of gravity. It just raises the body. Everything else is still down low.
 
A body lift doesn't raise the center of gravity. It just raises the body. Everything else is still down low.

The body weighs something. Its higher after the body lift. Center of gravity= higher.
 
The body weighs something. Its higher after the body lift. Center of gravity= higher.

The body weighs nothing. Only the body is higher. Does not effect COG.
 
The body weighs nothing. Only the body is higher. Does not effect COG.

Oooookay then, I can see this argument going nowhere. You win, the body is weightless.
 
Yes, the COG does raise with a body lift. Not sure how you think it stays the same?

:meh:
 
Oooookay then, I can see this argument going nowhere. You win, the body is weightless.

No argument. Just pointing out the fact man. Peace.
 
Yes, the COG does raise with a body lift. Not sure how you think it stays the same?

:meh:

No it doesn't. I don't know why you would think that. You are only raising the body. Everything else stay where it is.
 
No argument. Just pointing out the fact man. Peace.

Facts, well, there's a different story. I'd estimate the frame itself at less than 1000 pounds, and the drivetrain at around 1300 pounds. Tires and axles around 1200 pounds. That leaves approximately 1300 pounds for the sheet metal, glass, seats, dash, various electric motors, actuators, engine bay bits mounted to the inner fenders, accessories like jack and tools, radio, speakers, interior panels, and countless other parts. Not to mention the weight of the passengers and cargo. All that weight moved up. The COG moved up with it.
 
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Weight is still all down low.
Frame 1500lb
Drivetrain 1500lb
Tires and axles 1300lb
Bumpers and sliders 1000lb
= 5300
Body 700lb
Not much weight to move up.
 
The body weighs nothing. Only the body is higher. Does not effect COG.

Oooookay then, I can see this argument going nowhere. You win, the body is weightless.

:lol:


To add some tech to this, the body actually weighs a decent amount. The 80 top (not including glass, etc) from the bottom of the windows up is about 230 lbs. The rear hatch and tailgate (including glass) is about 110 lbs.

On top of that, you have the rest of the sides, floor pan, doors, glass in the doors, windshield, sunroof and motor assembly (heard 60 lbs there alone), plus all the misc stuff attached to the body.

Heck, the 3rd row seats, seat brackets, and seat belt assemblies alone add 100 lbs. 2nd row weight more than the 3rd, and 1st weigh more than the 2nd (especially if electronic instead of manual).

And unless you're strapping your camping gear to the frame, all the occupant and gear adds in as well. Four adults alone would easily be 700-800 lbs.


While I don't have an actual weight figure for the body, I don't think it's unreasonable to guestimate somewhere around 1k lbs (dry, not including passengers and gear).


Now Wrench does have a point. You're only lifting up 1k lbs by an inch or two. That's a huge difference than lifting up the entire frame, engine, drive train, and body an inch or two. The frame alone is probably about half the weight of the entire body.



TL;DR version: A body lift does raise the CoG, but the amount it raises it is tiny compared to a suspension lift.
 
Remember your balancing the body on four little hockey pucks. If weight was such a huge issue you would use solid steel and weld it.
 
Remember your balancing the body on four little hockey pucks. If weight was such a huge issue you would use solid steel and weld it.

If you're only using four, you have bigger issues.

I have 10. 5 per side.
 
A suspension lift raises the center of gravity by a huge margin. That 's what make a body lift so attractive. Run big tires while keeping the COG low.
 
A suspension lift raises the center of gravity by a huge margin. That 's what make a body lift so attractive. Run big tires while keeping the COG low.

Absolutely. But stating that raising 1k in body weight plus 500-1000 lbs in passengers and gear doesn't raise CoG is just plain old silly, not to mention against the laws of physics.
 
I stand by what I said.
 

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