I think your rig is mine's twin, separated at birth!!! (See CruiserGarage!)
FYI: Bridgestone Duelers A/T Revo’s
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"Hey, this is great information. I'm strongly considering these tires, anyone have any input on this specific question. The treadlife is rated at 50K but if heavy rigs are getting half that, I would want to know. Who has the most miles and do you have a tread depth gauge and can measure whats left ( 12/32 etc ). Thanks."
My dad has had the original Dueler AT's on his 95 suburban for almost 3 years with close to 45000 miles...tread probably has another 2000 safe miles or so left... I will try to get him to measure tread depth for me sometime or I will do it next time I see him.
My dad has had the original Dueler AT's on his 95 suburban for almost 3 years with close to 45000 miles...tread probably has another 2000 safe miles or so left... I will try to get him to measure tread depth for me sometime or I will do it next time I see him.
roncruiser said:
Anyone had the BFG AT and then had these? I am about to buy BFGs again and would like to hear from someone who has had both on an 80.
Jim
elmariachi said:
Well, sorta; I've had several sets of BFG AT's (last set was the KO version) on my old 4Runner. I recently put the REVOS on the Crusher. Not the same thing exactly but in my opinion the REVO is a much better tire basically for everything. Without any question it is a much better performer on the street and so far it has excelled at snow, mud, and sand when I've wheeled. Only concern or comment is they seem to wander more than the BFG's did. Again, not exactly what you wanted but hopefully close enough for comparison purposes. HTH
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I don't totally agree with the "wander", but I know what you mean. I like to see it more as "tracking" better.
roncruiser said:
Okay, you are right actually it is indeed tracking better, what I am experiencing I think is some play in the steering wheel, I need to tighten the adjustment on the steering box some and see how that handles things. Excellent tires though!
I bought mine two weeks ago, I week after getting my 80. It still had the original LTXs on it, and wandered a bit one her first drive to her new home.
The Revos took about half of that out. Much better, and as I posted in another thread, GREAT even once I took out the 150psi the tire guys put into them. (Ran at about 35psi for a week, and have dropped to 32).
I had it aligned last week and it is solid a straight tracker I've ever owned, and most of my cars were new. Check the alignment, one of my figures was out of range, and it really made a big difference.
Here is Roncruiser's twin I think:
The Revos took about half of that out. Much better, and as I posted in another thread, GREAT even once I took out the 150psi the tire guys put into them. (Ran at about 35psi for a week, and have dropped to 32).
I had it aligned last week and it is solid a straight tracker I've ever owned, and most of my cars were new. Check the alignment, one of my figures was out of range, and it really made a big difference.
Here is Roncruiser's twin I think:
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Nice Rig. I now know what you mean by "separated at birth". In a week or so I bolt on my ARB front bumper. This twin is taking steroids!
turbocruiser said:
Do you know if they are 3 ply sidewalls like BFG? I couldn't find anything on their website.
Jim
tltaylor22 said:
I think hardening of the rubber was a problem of the earlier Bridgestones and was one of the problems corrected on the "Revo". As I understand it the new tire compound should be softer as it wears to provide consistant traction even as the tread wears down.
Dueler AT Revo Spec Sheet - From Bridgestone
UNI-T AQ II Technologies - from Bridgestone
Revo Snow Test (Warning - 100 Series Post)
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NMuzj100 said:
Yes you are correct, something about extra long chain carbons and alota additives to the rubber that provide the flexibility throughout the life of the tire, well at least to about 2/32nds or so at which point who cares.
One thing several tire companies are doing that I think is great is pre-siping or mold-siping sipes into the treads, I'm seeing this more and more as another awesome feature in higher end tires. I think it is relatively undisputed that sipes add flexibility to the tread, more grip in all conditions, more dissipation of heat, on and on and on apparently. With the BFG AT's I always had to sipe them right away at the store, I was pleasantly pleased that the REVOS are mold-siped.
Another thing several tire companies are doing that I think is great is mold-siping upside down "Y" shaped sipes so that as the tread wears you go from a single sipe to two which will also increase the flexibility of that particular piece of tread, and of course all the other treads. It also helps some with surfaces that are wet.
Another thing Bridgestone is doing differently from BFG is the way they "case" the outermost lugs. I'm not a tire construction techy but basically the way I understand it is that to get the tall square outermost shoulder lugs that the BFG KO's have, they had to strap another steel belt into the top of the tread of the shoulder lugs. Jeez I'm terrible with this tire terminology but bear with me...if you look carefully at the outermost shoulder lug on the BFG KO's you will clearly see a raised rubber band right about in the middle of the lug itself, this is the steel strap. The theory that Bridgestone touts is that this raised rubber rib significantly slows the rate of "side ejection" of everything from water to snow to mud etc. This is true at new age of the tire and gets worse and worse to the point of total blockage when the tire is older in age and at about 10/32nds. Visually and logically this is pretty convincing.
Anyway just some thoughts about the REVOS and the "others" as I say now. HTH.
Rookie2 said:Jim,
Take a look at post #18, #19 and #20 of this thread. May be what you're looking for.
Rookie2
BFG has what they call Tri-Guard sidewall construction, three polyester plies. I have always had better luck in rocky terrain with a BFG vs. other tires and I really think this is a factor. My opinion is that the stiffer sidewall as a result of the three ply construction results in firmer cornering and handling. But I am really liking what I hear about this Revo tire.
Jim
elmariachi said:
I agree that the sidewalls on my BFG AT KO's were stiffer and stronger than the ones on the AT REVO's. I have not had an almost deflated REVO on a sharp rock sliding off sideways yet and I'm sorta eager to try to compare but I cannot imagine them doing as well in sharp rocks. I say this even though I love em so much more in almost all ways than any of the BFG's I've had. All a matter of compromise i suppose.
turbocruiser said:I agree that the sidewalls on my BFG AT KO's were stiffer and stronger than the ones on the AT REVO's. I have not had an almost deflated REVO on a sharp rock sliding off sideways yet and I'm sorta eager to try to compare but I cannot imagine them doing as well in sharp rocks. I say this even though I love em so much more in almost all ways than any of the BFG's I've had. All a matter of compromise i suppose.
Yep, exactly my concern. I really hate spending $1000 on BFGs when only 25% of my time is off in the rocks (cause I hate mud). But that stiff BFG sidewall has worked well for me in the past......dilemma.
Jim
Another fan of the Revos here- I've got the 285s. Excellent for mild to moderate offroading, and excellent on-road. Their stiffer sidewalls even solve the side-to-side wallow problem present on LX450s with stock shocks and Michelins! I am curious what kind of mileage people are getting out of them, though. Anyone here with a lot of miles on them?
Jim_Chow
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Just looking at the tread pattern (I'm also considering revo's vs. bfg at's), the at's look like they might have problems when rain pools on highways. The blocks in the tread seem like they won't allow water to escape as readily as w/ the revo pattern, at least when the tires wear. The bfg pattern would seem to rely more on thick tread blocks for traction in water, where the water runs in the channels between the blocks but really can't go anywhere. The "Z" pattern on the revo's would seem like they should flick the water outward away from the vehicle. Look at those Michelin & Goodyear passenger car tires for the rain you see in the tv commercials. They basically get their great wet traction by flicking the water out. The bfg's can't do that by the nature of their design. However, they do look like they'd be better in the dirt than the revo's. The tires i have now have a similar pattern as the bfg's and are similarly severe weather rated, but traction on a trip via I-10 from Tucson to Dallas last spring (rained the entire time) sucked. The highway had tire-width grooves worn in the pavement, so water was pooling in there during heavy rains. The rig was going all over the place. Bottom line is, I guess you have to look at your driving needs and trade-off offroading capability vs. on road handling. I'm leaning towards the Revo's.
Jim_Chow said:
You are right about the AT's, but I have to admit I've never had them on an 80. I had three sets on a Hi-Lux, and I can't find any documentation on it, but I distinctly remember all three tire guys telling me they sucked on wet pavement. They were a great tire for off-road generally, and this was back in the mid 90s to 2001 when I sold the truck.
I know everyone wants the coolest off-road tires, but you can't ignore where the majority of the miles get put on. We had heavy downpours this past Sunday, and I hit several large pools of water on the road. Can't say if it is the weight of the truck or not, but my Revos plowed right through. In my truck with ATs I would have been fighting the steering wheel and hoping they were pointed straight after hitting the water and grabbing again.
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FYI: Just got back from a 2 week camping vacation. Over those two weeks put on 2601 miles. Thats from time I left my driveway to the time I returned home and parked it in the same spot.
Went through all weather conditions during the trip. From heavy coastal mist and fog in the low 50's of Coastal NoCal to the nasty hot desert of Death Valley at 110 degrees.
I planned my trip around off-road trails. From easy gliding hard packed unpaved roads to sandy dunes to deeply rutted trails to loose down hill gravel to fairly large rock gardens....and everything in between.
The Revo's handled business.
Went through all weather conditions during the trip. From heavy coastal mist and fog in the low 50's of Coastal NoCal to the nasty hot desert of Death Valley at 110 degrees.
I planned my trip around off-road trails. From easy gliding hard packed unpaved roads to sandy dunes to deeply rutted trails to loose down hill gravel to fairly large rock gardens....and everything in between.
The Revo's handled business.
