For John. N74L vs N101

[OGBeno]

I just read every page of this thread and I cannot believe that it is still going on.

It just blows me away.

John, FWIW, I think it best that you consider this a sale that didn't go through for whatever reason--a sale that fell through for contingent factors. Sometimes you just don't win, and this is one of those cases. Sometimes humility goes a long way.

THanks for the fun gents!
-o-

 

[tabraha]

I can't believe you read the whole thing!!!!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

I just read every page of this thread and I cannot believe that it is still going on.

It just blows me away.

John, FWIW, I think it best that you consider this a sale that didn't go through for whatever reason--a sale that fell through for contingent factors. Sometimes you just don't win, and this is one of those cases. Sometimes humility goes a long way.

THanks for the fun gents!
-o-

Don't know to what you are referring to?

This "sale" was a HUGE success and 100 owners are now opting for the N74L shocks because they've seen the benefits. You need to discount the endless negativity and taungting in the thread and look simply at the results.

It doesn't take a techno-genious to know that L-shocks offer great benefits on an 80 with taller springs. You just drive and you know. The same ended up holding true on the 100. It's really that simple. HUGE SUCCESS. To use your words....A BIG WIN FOR ME!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Beno: Let me sum this up one other way:


I would guess that for every 1000 lifts out there, maybe 50 people really know what they're buying. Out of the 50, maybe 10 know all the in's and out's about why things work the way they do. (This is a theory of course....stay with me....I'll narrow it down)

OK....someone wants to buy a lift for their Cruiser. Their 80. OK, what do they buy?

2.5" OME
J-OME
Slee 4"
ManAFree
Mix and match
Custom

I would guess that most lifts are bought and installed as a "kit". You call the seller, they discuss, and to your house the stuff comes. Then they or someone else installs it and they're done.

The point is that you don't have to be a whizzard to select a lift for your truck. You don't need to know ANYTHING about why it works either. You just drive it off-road and can tell it's an improvement. Might something better be out there than what somebody bought? SURE!

This brings me to this thread. ATS continually trashes my idea and the results of this shock change. He keeps saying his setup is even better. IT MAY BE. So what? If his is better it doesn't mean that my setup isn't much better than my old. Get it?

So, 100 owners can choose:

2" OME
2.5" front/3" rear
2.5" front/3" rear (with N74L)
ATS Aussie Setup
Etc

The bottom line is that if you wheel a 100 with the OME setup and 100 shocks, then convert the rears to N74L, you'll reap GREAT rewards. It's been tested, it's been confirmed, and people are starting to do the mod.

The people don't have to be techno whizzes to DECIDE on a pair of shocks and reap the rewards after the fact..

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

John, no one denies the mod gaining .6" travel on your truck isnt good, as I have said many times, the thread is about your attitude, not the mod, and we will keep going around in circles until you get it.

Maybe you should read it start to finish, and it may help you figure out what is really going on vs what you think is happening here.

I wonder how many it would take who read this, and spell it out for you, before you get it John, because as much as you act like you dont care, you replied twice to that last post, once after you thought about, and once after you initially thought you needed too.

 

[wngrog]

I dont care how many shocks you put on a 100, they are still big heavy pigs and need to stay on the improved track

 

[e9999]

dang, everytime I see this thread, I have to fight with myself not to shut it down....

I just may at that, but at least it keeps the ......... centralized for the time being.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

dang, everytime I see this thread, I have to fight with myself not to shut it down....

I just may at that, but at least it keeps the ......... centralized for the time being.

Close it if you want. Many have seen the benefits of the mod and are opting to do it. On another thread, another recent "mod-eee" wrote this:

"The increase in performance with the L-shock is quite dramatic and you will be VERY happy when you get everything worked out"

The people on this thread who speak poorly of the merits make fools of themselves, especialy as time goes by. It's a 100-series best suspension option yet if you're wanting added off-road performance.

If you do close it though, some newbies might miss out on the important parts of the thread.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

dang, everytime I see this thread, I have to fight with myself not to shut it down....

I just may at that, but at least it keeps the ......... centralized for the time being.

Oh, and my "suggestion" is that you PM the negativo's who are not discussing the mod but rather are making personal attacks.

The mod's outcome is non-disputed by all who have done it. We should stay on that task IMO.

 

[bull]

John, no one denies the mod gaining .6" travel on your truck isnt good, as I have said many times, the thread is about your attitude, not the mod, and we will keep going around in circles until you get it.

Now this remark is just plain silly. You don't agree with his attitude now? Come on! Give it a rest. You are not going to change how shotts posts.


e9999 just lock this thread an be done with it....




I have the N74Ls
I'm happy....



-bull

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

Now this remark is just plain silly. You don't agree with his attitude now? Come on! Give it a rest. You are not going to change how shotts posts.


e9999 just lock this thread an be done with it....




I have the N74Ls
I'm happy....



-bull

dont think anyone said the mod wasnt making a change...

all the facts are here, as are all the opinions, locking it will just see it dissapear, and I think there is enough good info here, about the mod, and human nature , that it should become a sticky I reckon...

We also have sme new mods for the rear of the 100 [and 80/105] will post some pics shortly, but they will be available through Christo as well.

 

[SALEH]

shotts ?

do i need to lower my Bomb stop and sway bar ?

i use N74L with 864

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

shotts ?

do i need to lower my Bomb stop and sway bar ?

i use N74L with 864

Correct.

You need to run a 20mm bump stop spacer, and you should extend the sway bar links by 50mm, but I would also suggest running a lesser sprring if no acc or rear bar, as the 864 would be far to firm for a standard vehicle.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

but I would also suggest running a lesser sprring if no acc or rear bar, as the 864 would be far to firm for a standard vehicle.

That's what I told him too.....until I remembered he's using his truck in sand dunes. I was at the Oceana Dunes OHV Park in CA last Friday. WOW! Did I wish for a STIFFER suspension. Go Saleh!

 

[SALEH]

watch the angel with N74L

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

That's what I told him too.....until I remembered he's using his truck in sand dunes. I was at the Oceana Dunes OHV Park in CA last Friday. WOW! Did I wish for a STIFFER suspension. Go Saleh!

The spring suspends the vehicle, the shock controls the movement, if the vehicle is in motion, and feels uncontrolled, or hits the bump stop, but sits where you want it when parked height wise, its the shock valving, not the spring which requires better valving, to control the movement.

 

[expeditionswest]

***Springs set ride height and determine load capacity

***Shocks dampen the suspension cycle, providing motion (rebound and compression) control.

There are a few configurations that defy the above definition, but for this case it works.

Remember these two key points:

1. Just because the valving works on slow trails and road driving does not mean it will work at high speeds, dunes or over long distances on corrugations. The shocks ability to dissipate heat and control fading is often overlooked. Fluid volume, body material, sinks, etc.

2. Spring rate should never be used to gain ride height. This is a common practice and a mistake (using OME heavy springs in light trucks to gain height). Spring rate is used to suspend load and spring length is used to determine ride height, essentially. An over-sprung truck (outside of the 15-20+%) range will handle poorly, require stiffer shock to control spring rebound, etc. and articulation will suffer.



Creating an effective suspension, balancing load requirements, high speed performance and low speed articulation is an engineering feat few actually accomplish.

 

[ats4x4dotcom]

Thats why we went Bilstein early days, with velocity controlled valving, so the ride stays more consistant, fast or slow, full or empty, and why we also now have Fox triple bypass shocks, with 50mm hyd bumpstop built in, for those who want to play very hard

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

***Springs set ride height and determine load capacity

***Shocks dampen the suspension cycle, providing motion (rebound and compression) control.

There are a few configurations that defy the above definition, but for this case it works.

Remember these two key points:

1. Just because the valving works on slow trails and road driving does not mean it will work at high speeds, dunes or over long distances on corrugations. The shocks ability to dissipate heat and control fading is often overlooked. Fluid volume, body material, sinks, etc.

2. Spring rate should never be used to gain ride height. This is a common practice and a mistake (using OME heavy springs in light trucks to gain height). Spring rate is used to suspend load and spring length is used to determine ride height, essentially. An over-sprung truck (outside of the 15-20+%) range will handle poorly, require stiffer shock to control spring rebound, etc. and articulation will suffer.



Creating an effective suspension, balancing load requirements, high speed performance and low speed articulation is an engineering feat few actually accomplish.

Makes sense. We were only there about 30-minutes but wow....my truck felt HEAVY! Of course we didn't air down either (40PSI) as we were on our way to Solvang.

 

[expeditionswest]

80's and 100's are heavy with a low power to weight ratio. They are out of their element in the dunes.