FJ 60 v8 conversion vs replacement 2f

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huh? you might be pushing it a bit, almost the same mileage and more HP? the diesels i know of that get near the mileage of a TBI 350 make more power, and the ones that dont (like mine) are close to dbl the mileage.


elkiny i think its a good choice your making,,, an engine swap is always a compromise for dollars spent. a good rebuild of a 2F, especially if you have the shop do a little work will net impressive driveability gains and keep its sewing machine reliability.

I'm just gonna throw that huh right back at ya. What the hell motor do you have that is getting double the mileage of a tbi in your landcruiser? TBI's swapped into 60's with either a 700r4 or a 4l60e are typically getting at least 15 mpg (and thats honestly a little low) so to be double you would have to be getting 30mpg with the diesel motor.

I have nothing against diesel motors. In fact, I think we as a country are stupid to still be on gas motors while the rest of the world is relying more on diesel. However, if we are talking about all the typical diesel motors people on mud swap into the fj60, I think it's pointless to do the diesel swap based on pure numbers. (hp, torque, mpg, and cost)
 
i have an isuzu turbo engine from an NPR truck in my cruiser,,, i run 37" tires and 4:10 gears. on the hiway at speed i only muster 25mpg, but on a trip of mixed, mostly backroads and dirt i got 687 miles to the tank according to the GPS, if my math is right thats just a hair over 30mpg.

i know a guy with a mercedes diesel in his mini truck with 285 tires that reports 33-35 mpg consistantly, i know a guy with the same engine as me in a 2wd f150 with 265 tires that gets a solid 30mpg, i know a couple in tucson with a 2.6 cummins in they're FJ60 on i think 265 tires and report a little over 30mpg. i can keep going, but my point is all of us have better driveability than the straight six we replaced, nothing compared to a v-8 or bigger diesel but better than what we had.

i completely agree with your thoughts on the practical side of a diesel swap just based on numbers. i didnt do it solely for MPG gains, it'll take a long time to recoup my investment, i did it simply because i wanted a diesel.
 
One of the guys in the group completely rebuilt his 2F and put TBi on it. Mostly did it to save a few bucks. In the end the amount of $ spent made him say:
"I coulda had a V-8!"

I did say that, yes indeed. I didn't really do it to save money, but more to do something a little different and be more "Toyota" even though the TBI is Chevy. It's got good power but the V8 and a different trans sould allow me more options especially for transfer cases.

If I did it again it would be a modern Fuel injected V8, some kind of manual trans and an Atlas II. And a spring over and saginaw steering. But I digress.

I looked at putting tbi on a 2f also, it would be kinda cool, but you still don't have power. Basically you have to think, "Can I live with 130 hp or do I want more?" Because thats about all you can squeeze out of that motor.

I beg to differ. You should drive my 40 sometime. 2F and TBI with stock gears and 35s... it ain't slow. :cool:
 
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And I can verify it SOUNDS like it too when revved up in an enclosed space :eek::cool:

You sure you weren't a little distracted?

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You sure you weren't a little distracted?

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As he revved it, the girls exited quite quickly. Throbbing power and sound chased them away.
 
I did say that, yes indeed. I didn't really do it to save money, but more to do something a little different and be more "Toyota" even though the TBI is Chevy. It's got good power but the V8 and a different trans sould allow me more options especially for transfer cases.

If I did it again it would be a modern Fuel injected V8, some kind of manual trans and an Atlas II. And a spring over and saginaw steering. But I digress.



I beg to differ. You should drive my 40 sometime. 2F and TBI with stock gears and 35s... it ain't slow. :cool:

Okay....so how much horsepower is it making then?
 
Okay....so how much horsepower is it making then?

It doesn't matter, enough to get the job done. There a few good running F motors in the club.
 
how much power just depends how much you want to put into it,, i know many 2F's in the 160 hp range, a few in the 220-250 range, and then theres IGOR, while not a 2F he is proving a point about straight six engines and running 7's in the 1/4 mile, he currently holds the national record of 4.87 on the 1/8th mile.
 
how much power just depends how much you want to put into it,, i know many 2F's in the 160 hp range, a few in the 220-250 range, and then theres IGOR, while not a 2F he is proving a point about straight six engines and running 7's in the 1/4 mile, he currently holds the national record of 4.87 on the 1/8th mile.

Okay this is getting ridiculous, apparently there is a misunderstanding or something. I guess I didn't do a good job of getting my original point across. First off, I totally agree with you about inline motors. I don't think I have said anything bad about them. There is a reason why tractors, heavy equipment, semis, they are all inline. That longer stroke produces quite a bit more torque in comparison to a v style motor. That inline combined with high compression makes for a pretty sick setup. You take that high compression inline, make it diesel and turbo it and you are in business.

I totally believe you also when you say that you get better fuel economy with your diesel driving on mixed off/on road. Everybody knows that a diesel motor consumes hardly any fuel while idling and working at low rpms. That's the beauty of most diesel motors.

And sure, you are right, if you throw enough money at any motor and build it up, you could get more power. It "could" be done. You could do what some guys do and build a 2fe and make a sick motor. You could bore it out like crazy, get some aftermarket (possibly even custom) pistons, bump up the compression and get a lot of power too. You might even be able to push 200 hp like you say. There are people that do this. Thats fine if you want to waste the money. But that still brings us back to my original point of practicality. You could do the typical tbi 350 swap, break the 200 hp mark, have probably around 300 ft lbs of torque, and average about 18 mpg (which is what most people report here on mud). All that for around $2500 to $3000 if you do the work yourself. By the time you rebuild a 2f you literally could have had a v8. By the time you do a diesel swap you could probably have gotten 2 v8s (depending on which diesel you go with, I know for a fact that 4bt alone can be expensive and hard to find, and it only makes about 130 hp).

So here is my summary. Obviously I have stated my opinion on the 2f. I think that motor sucks regardless. It's a tractor motor, and it's pretty good at being that. It makes a lot of torque. My 2f got me a lot of places. I have nothing against diesel swaps if you really want a diesel. For practicality purposes, I think it's tough to beat the small block v8 swap.

(For the record, I didn't even do a small block tbi swap, I put a carbed 454 in my 60, so I guess its okay to not follow my whole "practicality" logic here)
 
It doesn't matter, enough to get the job done. There a few good running F motors in the club.

Uhh...if he is telling me I should drive his 2f tbi in rebuttle to me saying the 2f tbi is not that powerful, then it kinda does matter how much horsepower its making.
 
Uhh...if he is telling me I should drive his 2f tbi in rebuttle to me saying the 2f tbi is not that powerful, then it kinda does matter how much horsepower its making.

Maybe, I have no way of knowing what he is thinking? It could be that he likes how it drives, the power that it makes is well matched for his use?

Why get so spun up over what others decide to do with their rigs? People have differing uses, expectations, etc, for their rigs, all choices are a compromise, some just like to drive old iron. Horse power maybe the most important component to you, others appreciate the total experience, if the setup meets their expectation, don't care how much HP it makes? :hillbilly:
 
Okay this is getting ridiculous, apparently there is a misunderstanding or something.


sorry man, didnt mean to make ya feel that way.
my first reply about the diesel was just to paint a real picture on your not quite accurate statement about a small block making more power at about the same MPG.
my second reply about the 2F was to give some love to the engine for the OP and others who want to keep it, dont forget you did ask how much power a 2F is making, maybe not to me but i was just giving some examples of engines i know about.
if your gonna get all butt hurt about some friendly (i tried) banter then i wont ever asnwer a Q from you again. sheesh
 
I thought I did a pretty good job of clarifying things on that last post. Apparently it still isn't clear but I don't even care whatever. I agree with both of you, you can do whatever you want to your own rig. Im not getting mad at people who dont spend their money on a 350 tbi. I myself don't even have a small block. Whatever you want, throw it in there im not going to judge you. I still maintain my position that from a pure practicality standpoint, its pretty tough to beat a 350 tbi in a 60. That was all. I don't care if you make a tbi 2f or do a diesel swap. If I had the money to blow I would do either one. But when it comes to the best bang for the buck, that 350 is hands down the winner.
 
I beg to differ. You should drive my 40 sometime. 2F and TBI with stock gears and 35s... it ain't slow. :cool:

I smoked you at the light :flipoff2:
 
I smoked you at the light :flipoff2:
Its the front bumper sticker...and you wonder why you keep breaking suspension components:wrench:. Of course it could be all the wheelies the blue 40 does:hillbilly:
 
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