Doh moment in new to me 80

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So we recently bought a low mileage '97, happy as can be driving it home and then went to put the child seats in and realized there were no anchors for the second row. Needless to say I started googling the 1997 Land Cruiser and realized that LATCH was not standard until the 2001s came out. Right now I am using the seat belts for both seats but I have never used just the belts to secure child seats and frankly they feel loose, I even brought it to the local firehouse and had one of the inspectors look at it and we still a couple inches of movement.

This is a major concern for me, serious enough that I am mulling over selling the car since my babies are more important than life itself so I want them to be secure in the event of an accident. So long story short, are there certain restraint tricks I am unaware of in this car? Are there good tethering points I can use to maximize security? Please advise.
 
I toted around two young daughters in my 80 and LX...

Trick I used was to pull the belt ALL the way out and then feed it through to latch it. Then, I'd kneel with all my weight down onto the car seat while pulling the shoulder belt and feeding it back into the retracting mechanism. I was always able to get the seat SUPER tight, to the point where it will leave indentations in the leather. To protect the leather I bought cheapy like colored towells, poked holes in them for the headrest to go through and put the seat on top of the towell.

This was for toddler seats, not baby seats that lock into a base. Luckily my kids were far enough apart in age that I could put the baby car seat in the middle position.

A possible tether anchor point you could use would be the rear cargo tie downs...I did that a few times before deciding it wasn't necessary really. If you are really worried, you could look into retrofitting something more substantial in place of the cargo tie downs.

The LATCH system is nice but honestly, how many millions of kids have been safely transported before that system came out? Heck, many of us grew up before child seats were even the norm...I understand the concern but I think you can come up with a solution...If not, find a low mileage later model year 100 series.
 
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There is no guarantee that either will be enough to survive, probably depends more on the type of accident. Probably should sell it to me and go buy a civic!
 
Trick I used was to pull the belt ALL the way out and then feed it through to latch it. Then, I'd kneel with all my weight down onto the car seat while pulling the shoulder belt and feeding it back into the retracting mechanism. I was always able to get the seat SUPER tight, to the point where it will leave indentations in the leather. This was for toddler seats, not baby seats that lock into a base.

this is the same method i use to secure my son's seat. i feel he's safer in the 80 than in our tsx with the latch system. :)
 
I also had 2 car seats in the back for awhile and you can get them really tight with the seat belt
But, it is a real bitch but you can get them nice and tight
 
There are directions on the seat belts that tell you to pull the belt all the way out, if using a child carseat, to lock the retrieve mechanism. Once this is done, there is no movement and the carseat is snug as a bug. I have four kids and two are still in carseats, 2 in a boosters!
 
Get yourself one of these ratcheting tighteners per car seat and you will be able to get those whippersnapper seats nice and snug. I'm guessing that with the kids the 2nd row will be reserved for kids' seating for quite a while, and thus it's easier to strap those seats in and leave them there. You can also run a strap back to the D-rings behind the middle row seats. I bought my 80 when wifey was preggers with #1 10 years ago. When #2 came along 27 months later, #1 would pop the seatbelt loose on #2's seat just to be a sneaky monkey, so I ran straps back to the D-rings and kept them tight, and those seats were not going anywhere. I also added anchor points to the metal frame feet of the 2nd row seats in order to strap down the rear-facing seat base (it was the click and carry type of seat). It might take some creative thinking, but I'd feel safer with my kids, or anyone else's kids, in my 80 than in just about any other vehicle. Are your kids rear-facing, forward facing, or in boosters...what's the combo?

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Depends on the seat too. I have a cheaper eddy bauer (sp?) seat in my cruiser and get it to fit snug with very little movement in the middle of the back seat. I also have a nice Recaro brand seat that my GF uses most of the time but when I tried it in my cruiser i could not get it tight enough for my liking. Also like others have said the rear tie down points will work for the upper tether of the seat.
 
Couple of things....

Most people don't realize this, but the latch system is only good up to a certain weight. So eventually you have to switch to belts anyway.

The seat belts will secure the seat very well if the car seat fits. I've had poor luck fitting the removable seats, one we had fit somewhat decently, one fit okay but was loose, and one was so bad I absolutely refused to use it. Different car seats fit different cars in different ways, the second one fit another vehicle perfect fine and was nice and tight, so you need to find a seat that fits the 80 well. I (and many others) have had good luck fitting Britax car seats (the non-removable kind), and I'd highly recommend them. You can find deals on Craigslist, that's where I've gotten two from (the third came from IdahoDoug).

Here's an interesting article about car seats, after reading it (and a bunch of the study that the article came from), it really changed my view about car seats--and especially the importance of how well the car seat fits in the vehicle.

Car seat tests reveal 'flaws' - Chicago Tribune
 
this is the same method i use to secure my son's seat. i feel he's safer in the 80 than in our tsx with the latch system. :)

Same here. I have latch in 2007 F150 and can get seat tighter in my F350 and LC.....
 
you need to find a seat that fits the 80 well. I (and many others) have had good luck fitting Britax car seats (the non-removable kind), and I'd highly recommend them.

Very good point here. We ended up using Britax seats as well.
 
I placed my seat in the middle of the second row tightened it down like corsair described. Very little movement. I worked in EMS and I was not worried about the very slight amount of of movement that I got from my childseat base. Then when my little girl graduated to a "toddler seat" I used the top strap and hooked it to a tie down point in the cargo area like Corsair described as well to prevent front to back movement of the seat. The most important thing you can do is proper adjustment and tightening of the safety restraints around your child and enough padding to prevent side to side head movement in the seat. I do not think the "latch" system in the tundra is any better than the system I have in place in the LC and the seats are similar in style and have the same anchoring straps.

Are your seats forward or rearward facing at this time?
 
yep - went with the Britax too. My wife is over the top anal about it, but rightfully so. I get all my weight in the seat and feed the belt in and its tighter than in our 08 Volvo XC90. I also agree with a lot of points made that we got by with it in the past and a lot really has to do with the accident itself. With that said we've came a long way with safety and why not use it.
 
Thanks for all the advise guys. Trust me, the seat inspector and I were double teaming the seat install and just could not get it snug enough. I have 2 Britax Boulevards, one for the 3 year old and the other for my 9 months old. I think the problem may be as some as suggested that these seats don't fit the 80 rear seats well. I may swap seats with my neighbor and see if it's something that can be fixed with a new seat.
 
Will your second row middle seat belt latch into the side seats? Been a while since i've needed a kid seat but if that belt will latch i would piggyback the belts where they bolt to the floor.
 
A few additional things here: First, I have 4 kids, so I have dealt with car seats a bit...
second, I am trying to remember if you can recline the second row a bit or not. If you can, and for the life of me I cannot remember, recline the seat, then put your weight, and I do mean all of your weight into the seat and cinch up the seat belt. If you still cannot get it tight, you may need to roll up a towel and place it in behind the car seat where the horizontal and vertical parts of the seat come together. You may also need to place a towel under the seat, so that it doesn't slip on the leather. Try this, as it is an inexpensive fix to seats that car seats don't conform to. Good luck.
 
Thanks for all the advise guys. Trust me, the seat inspector and I were double teaming the seat install and just could not get it snug enough. I have 2 Britax Boulevards, one for the 3 year old and the other for my 9 months old. I think the problem may be as some as suggested that these seats don't fit the 80 rear seats well. I may swap seats with my neighbor and see if it's something that can be fixed with a new seat.

The Boulevard should work just fine. I don't recall the models we have off hand, but we have 3 different ones and all are similar to the Boulevard (I think two are a step up and one is a step down).

First off, try doing it in the middle first. The middle belt is far easier to do than the side shoulder belts.

Second, I have never been able to latch more than one side on the plastic latches that go over the belt (to lock it in place and keep it from moving). You're supposed to do both, but the plastic latch on the side that clips in is too close and will interfere, so don't even bother.

Third, I've had the best luck by pulling the belt all the way out, then letting it retract. The buckle should look like it's 3-5 inches too short to reach the clip. Now without letting the belt retract (again, easier with the middle belt) throw all your weight onto the side away from the buckle and clip. Torque down on the seat belt, and (if you have enough hands or a helper) latch the plastic retaining clip that's on the car seat. This basically forces that side of the car seat deep into the seat, and by latching the clip or torquing down on the seatbelt itself, you're preventing it from popping back off. At this point the buckle will be at least 5-6 inches away from the clip (even further than when you started).

Now put all your weight on the buckle side. You should be able to use leverage to lower the seat until you can clip the buckle in. The more difficult it is to get the buckle clipped, the tighter the seat will be and the less movement you have. I've done it a bunch of times and it still usually takes me a few tries. If you can buckle it easily, then it's far too lose and you need to start over, with less slack in the seat belt.

Forth, I assume the seats are rear facing? Are you using the top belt?

I've snapped the top belt onto the foot of both the passenger and driver side. You'll likely need to remove the plastic covers over the bolts. On the passenger side, on the inside foot there is a square hole cut out that you can use. I don't recall if there is one on the drivers side or not, but the foot has a lip on it that you can catch the buckle on. Once you tighten down on the strap the buckle won't come loose, unless somehow the strap is loosened.

On the newest one we got, it came with a loop for the feet. Clever little design, just basically a loop of strap. Wrap it around the foot, loop it through itself, and then clip the buckle into the loop. Even if the strap becomes loosened it won't come out, so it's a very good way of doing it. You could easily replicate this with a strap or some rope, but as I mentioned before you can also clip directly to the feet without any issue.

Once you tighten that third point down, the seat should be in tight enough that trying to move the seat will move the whole vehicle.


One final thing, some people find that their seat (specifically Britax, but others as well) fit better if they put something under the front of the seat. I've heard of a 2x4 or towel being used, but what seems to be common is one of those pool float noodles. This lifts up the front of the car seat (the part that goes against the back of the passenger seat) and changes the angle. This may (or may not) help you fit it better.


IIRC the Marathon's also have adjustable bases. So make sure those are adjusted properly, if they're not tilted all the way back they don't fit right.

second, I am trying to remember if you can recline the second row a bit or not.

Second row does not recline without modification.
 
I don't have much to add other than I hated the whole carseat install process. Getting the seat to fit (towels, pool noodles, whatever) is important. Good luck keeping the little ones safe.
 
Get yourself one of these ratcheting tighteners per car seat and you will be able to get those whippersnapper seats nice and snug. I'm guessing that with the kids the 2nd row will be reserved for kids' seating for quite a while, and thus it's easier to strap those seats in and leave them there. You can also run a strap back to the D-rings behind the middle row seats. I bought my 80 when wifey was preggers with #1 10 years ago. When #2 came along 27 months later, #1 would pop the seatbelt loose on #2's seat just to be a sneaky monkey, so I ran straps back to the D-rings and kept them tight, and those seats were not going anywhere. I also added anchor points to the metal frame feet of the 2nd row seats in order to strap down the rear-facing seat base (it was the click and carry type of seat). It might take some creative thinking, but I'd feel safer with my kids, or anyone else's kids, in my 80 than in just about any other vehicle. Are your kids rear-facing, forward facing, or in boosters...what's the combo?

x2 on this. I use this in combination with the rear latch belt and my 3rd row anchor points.
 

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