mudgudgeon
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Ouch!
Time to yank the engine.
Time to yank the engine.
Did I just blow my engine? (7 Viewers)
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Sorry to see the oil pan yardsale. Seems like that could be mostly bearing material, but any way you go, it's time for some big decisions.
what the?
nah man, who said that? Toyota had 2 rebuilds in mind for these motors. there are probably hundreds of successful rebuilds on just mud (including 3 of my own) and in over 12 years of being a member here I've literally never heard that said before.
Now, you'll find a fair bit of arguing here on weather it's pointless to rebuild the 1FZ, but it's not cause it can't be done, it's cause the cost starts putting another 2 cylinders into a lot of people's heads. but I digress (EDIT: or maybe that's why they're never the same again
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Sounds like they don't know what they're doing. On a cost basis, very likely that a new short block is similar money, but there's absolutely no reason it can't be done successfully. There's a few nuances to be aware of, oil pump bushing is the first one that comes to mind but the aftermarket has addressed that challenge.
I fully rebuilt the 1FZ-FE engine in my late 95 80 Series myself without much difficulty.
The only work I didn't perform was taken care of at a local machine shop here in Denver - decking of the block/head, boring out of the cylinders (went .020 over) and minor work to the crank (went with .25mm undersize main bearings).
As stated before, Toyota engineered these blocks to be rebuilt up to three times. (STD pistons, .020 over, .040 over.)
This forum is a WEALTH of collective knowledge and has definitely helped me out on more than one occasion - the only "negative" is the work involved determining what is good/bad advice.
Do your research, take your time, and good luck with the project!!
Lol. The 1FZ was designed as a forklift engine. I don't know if you know much about equipment engines, but their statement is positively ridiculous.
I'm not saying don't do a swap, but don't let people convince you it's the only option. There has always been a segment of the automotive world that responds to any engine trouble with, "put a Chevy motor in it!" For my money, it makes more sense with the LS motors than it ever did with a 350, but I admit my own prejudices and neither one would be on my short list of motor choices for a Toyota.
These engines are absolutely designed to be rebuildable.
However, in the USA, there are not many shops that know this engine. There are very few performance parts available here because there is not a huge market for it. The Middle East is a different story. This engine is the LS or SBC that the USA has. Lots of support, lots of parts, and lots of infrastructure to support.
From a cost standpoint, it's much more cost effective to buy a new short block and have your head rebuilt to accommodate.
There are a couple folks on here do regular rebuilds @Fj80oregon is one. You can contact them to do a rebuild and ship it to and from.
If the shop you spoke to didn't offer this, they don't want to do it.
Spend some time here reading about rebuilds and decide if you want to do It yourself.
Good suggestions in the posts above.
I rebuilt mine @372k miles. To be fair, it was running great. I LOVED the project. Not really difficult. Side note; I bought a aftermarket oil pump bushing but ended up staying with the stock one.
Shop like crazy for OEM parts, I used Partsouq and Megazip ALOT! Still not cheap, but when you're done...
Talk about rewarding!
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Well thats good news on the viability of a rebuild at least. The only good news I've had in 3 weeks.
I dont think I have the space, time or knowledge to do the rebuild myself. I like working in it and my Bronco, but a total engine rebuild is way outside my knowledge base. I’ve never even pulled an engine before. If a had a shop maybe, but I don't. So it looks like it’ll be a $15k hit on a rust free FZJ80 in great condition that only had 138k miles on it. And I dont even know yet what happened to cause this whole “adventure”.
I gotta say, right now I’m more than a little pissed and shell shocked. I’d been looking for and saving for an FZJ80 for about 15 years. Then I buy one in awesome shape and within 8 months and 7k miles the engine blows when it should have gone over 300k.
I dont think I have the space, time or knowledge to do the rebuild myself. I like working in it and my Bronco, but a total engine rebuild is way outside my knowledge base. I’ve never even pulled an engine before. If a had a shop maybe, but I don't. So it looks like it’ll be a $15k hit on a rust free FZJ80 in great condition that only had 138k miles on it. And I dont even know yet what happened to cause this whole “adventure”.
I gotta say, right now I’m more than a little pissed and shell shocked. I’d been looking for and saving for an FZJ80 for about 15 years. Then I buy one in awesome shape and within 8 months and 7k miles the engine blows when it should have gone over 300k.
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he only had 138,000 miles
I have seen 60 Series engines rebuilt in the crudest shops imaginable in places like Pakistan and China. Toyota built these things with 3rd world use and facilities in mind.
Is nobody concerned with the AC condenser belt missing or did I overlook this part of the conversation? Did the AC belt fail and get caught up in the other belts causing the catastrophic results
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Sadly, the moral of the story is that miles don't necessarily tell the whole story, re: future longevity of the engine. Many variables...he only had 138,000 miles
Some IN our control.
Some Out of our control.
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This sucks to read about, and I'm sorry for your troubles. Despite not having any engine removal experience, I took on the task with my wife when my cruiser had its issues. Keep in mind, we were both jet engine mechs on F-16s, but neither of us knew sh*t about fu^k, but with the help of this forum and some youtube, we were successful. I know you stated you lack space and time, but have you considered tackling this in the future when both are more available?
mudgudgeon
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How does an AC belt put metal flakes in the sump?
Or make the other belts jump on to the wrong side of the idler?
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It was there. The picture is half way through the belt removal process, I’d already removed the AC belt.
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I’m working on it. Honestly its taking a bit of time for me to process all this and come up with a plan.
I commend you for taking your time to force yourself to work through the issues
I do hope you can successfully get some coverage by WIX, but if they're not already involved, you've probably lost that battle.
Keep looking to the bright side of life!
