Cummins and Isuzu 80 series kits

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What kind of power will the Toyota transmission hold up to? Could they handle a mild built 4bt? I'm not thinking of compounds but that would be fun. This is an interesting idea and makes me want to build another cruiser. I have built a few Cummins, 6bt and 4bt's they are great motors and simple to work on. Again the shakes of the 4bt can be remedied by balancing the motor.

My experience is the Landcruiser axles will handle a 40 PSI efficiently intercooled 4BT with a stickshift and aggressive driving. That's about 250 HP 550 lb/ft. That's spinning 33" tires in 3rd and 4th with 3.73 gears on dry pavement, but not dropping the clutch.

I feel like the factory automatic would not have the line pressure and shift firmness to handle a full throttle shift with that kind of power. If simple modifications/transmission tuning were done by a competent transmission builder the Landcruiser axles would probably be the weak link.

The Aisin transmissions have the clutch surface area and shaft sizes to handle these power levels, but just as all other OEM transmissions are set up for soft smooth shifts they will need some help past a certain point.

I think going into a Landcruiser diesel conversion with the idea of roasting tires is going to empty your wallet in a hurry unless you are thoroughly experienced in fixing all your own stuff.

If you want a level of diesel HP/TQ that moves the vehicle around a lot better than the gas engine did you have nothing to worry about. You can probably get into the pretty darn fast power range if you don't flog the hell out of it.

This stuff is ideal if you want a cool, practical, super MPG SUV. If you want monster power it's going to be expensive and completely impractical. More than factory power, no problem, but superfluous power and a heavy foot will cost the same as doing it with anything else.
 
My experience is the Landcruiser axles will handle a 40 PSI efficiently intercooled 4BT with a stickshift and aggressive driving. That's about 250 HP 550 lb/ft. That's spinning 33" tires in 3rd and 4th with 3.73 gears on dry pavement, but not dropping the clutch.

I feel like the factory automatic would not have the line pressure and shift firmness to handle a full throttle shift with that kind of power. If simple modifications/transmission tuning were done by a competent transmission builder the Landcruiser axles would probably be the weak link.

The Aisin transmissions have the clutch surface area and shaft sizes to handle these power levels, but just as all other OEM transmissions are set up for soft smooth shifts they will need some help past a certain point.

I think going into a Landcruiser diesel conversion with the idea of roasting tires is going to empty your wallet in a hurry unless you are thoroughly experienced in fixing all your own stuff.

If you want a level of diesel HP/TQ that moves the vehicle around a lot better than the gas engine did you have nothing to worry about. You can probably get into the pretty darn fast power range if you don't flog the hell out of it.

This stuff is ideal if you want a cool, practical, super MPG SUV. If you want monster power it's going to be expensive and completely impractical. More than factory power, no problem, but superfluous power and a heavy foot will cost the same as doing it with anything else.

Wish I still had this in my garage...
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I've been thinking about this and have already roughed it up. I'm just looking for a used Dodge NV4500 to take final measurements and take the designs somewhere to get them cut. My design (simple in nature) would utilize the A343 bellhousing and an internal slave, at least my initial design. Once I have my hands physically on a NV4500 and not relying on internet heresay, I'll be able to determine the best adaptation method.

This adapter would center on the bellhousing and the NV4500 front bearing retainer to ensure proper fit.


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http://psteen.gotdns.com/ih8mud/BellhousingSide.pngI think I've got all the electronic issues worked out (in theory).



-Phil

If you make this, I'd 100% buy one from you!!!
 
If you make this, I'd 100% buy one from you!!!

Good to know :)

We've got the baby due in Jan so I'm trying to collect as many parts as I can before then and hopefully have a tester by then. I'm taking paternity leave and should have a little garage time to pop in a test apparatus once I get it all sorted... hopefully :eek:
 
RockJock82 said:
Wish I still had this in my garage...

Did they have a sale on "Miller Blue" :-)

I'm partial to the OG tan on that block

-Ammo
 
Anybody call to see what the compushift controller would cost? My next question is how much would it cost to rebuild a 442 trans?
 
maxxmaven said:
Absolutely, I'm not planning on entering my 80 into a truck pull competition!!!!

I want the economy!! I want a diesel!! :cheers:

Max,

Any updates? What was your end budget for this conversion from start to finish?

Ammo
 
This may be a stupid question, but I am seriously contemplating dropping a 5.9L Cummins 24v Turbo Diesel in my 80 series.

My questions are:

Will any 5.9L Cummins 24v Turbo Diesel work? I have been looking at some 98-04 Dodge Ram 2500 on craigslist the 98 go for around 5500, obviously coming from a clean running truck.

So the parts we need to this conversion as a take out and put in new engine is really:

Diesel Engine
Cummins Adapter to our tranny
Motor mounts that you guys fabricate
Computech controller for transmission
redo the torque converter stall ratios

Is this basically it, or will there be more fabbing and welding etc? or is it just drop in and then integrate AC, and Power steering and getting electrical to work with the engine?

Will we need anything else from the donor vehicle other than the engine and its components?

Thanks in advance for your response.
 
For simplicity reasons and weight saving you would be better off with a pretty 98.5 Cummins engine. The 24v motors injection pumps tend to fail quite often and there is more wiring to them then the 12v by far.. it takes literally like 2 wires to run the 12v and a lot easier to add power. Welding motor mounts plus adding in some gussets to support the frame would hurt. Not sure if there is enough room for an intercooler but I'm sure something could work. Of course there will be ac lines to make and harness integration needed.
 
Did they have a sale on "Miller Blue" :-)

I'm partial to the OG tan on that block

-Ammo

Nope, that's POR15 engine enamel royal blue. I want something to make the polished valve covers pop. Cummins red with black valve covers was my other choice which is a Cummins color scheme also.
 
Only reason they fail is cuz stock supply pump doesn't supply enough fuel if u get a aftermarket supply pump your golden
 
So close to pulling the trigger on this. Built a cummins powered suburban a couple years ago, and regret ever getting rid of it...

Just picked up a 12v 6bt today from a friend who was selling 3 of them. Scored it for dirt cheap! Only thing holding me back right now is the controller for the stock trans. I'd like to research it more before dropping cash on a compushift, since I have a '93 model, which should already have a standalone controller. Just need to figure out what signals it uses. May be as simple as throttle position and speed...

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Only reason they fail is cuz stock supply pump doesn't supply enough fuel if u get a aftermarket supply pump your golden

Yes this is true I had a fass fuel pump on my 2002 ctd. Inline 6bt is a better motor still imho
 

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