Cruisermatt's 80/62/60 mashup

[cruisermatt]

Why not do toyota forced induction 1fz? It will make as much or more power than an ls motor. Plus it keeps everything toyota.

For EXACTLY the same reason I'm using an NV4500 instead of an H55f in my other 62.

Too much squeeze to get the same juice.

 

[MANUCHAO]

Some inspiration for you, we have done a few of these now

^^^^ awesomeness...!!

 

[cruisermatt]

@torfab I've been watching that build, I commented on your Facebook post asking about the frame cut.

What fuel tank are you using?

 

[torfab]

We used the Man-A-Fre 40 gallon tank on one build, but it required more frame mods. The next few are getting a custom tank, which we'll hopefully design and template.

 

[mk4leo]

OooOOooo

 

[Delancy]

Besides, 1FZ swaps are difficult because there isn't a lot of aftermarket support for the EFI system.

Depends....

There's a few SCs for pre-'99 Australian FZJ7Xs, which were OBDI. All Matt needs to do is put the Z back in the FZJ.....

Built to boost:

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Corresponding FZJ75 harness and FZJ7X OE mounts and crossmember that (should) fit (with minor modifications).

THEN it'd be worthy the title FZJ60 and I'll make you a helluva deal......(that's prolly 2.25 to 2.5 times the expense of an LS)

 

[White Stripe]

No replacement for displacement my man! Besides, 1FZ swaps are difficult because there isn't a lot of aftermarket support for the EFI system. LS engines however, no problem.

I totally get that. But since the 1fz will bolt right in, it gives opportunity to keep it more Cruiser rather than Suburban. I guess I just like the feel of the Toyota motors, I feel like its part of owning and driving a Cruiser and adds to the experience. LS motors are everywhere, you go to a car show, they all have LS motors. Thats why I dont go to car shows anymore. Its easy power, and they are good motors I get that. Its just seems so popular though it gets boring to see since all the masses do it. You pull up with a 1fz with a turbo though-you don't see that everyday. Of course though not everybody is confident with forced induction though, and thats something to take into consideration, doing it wrong can lead to big failures.

 

[GLTHFJ60]

I don't think anyone will argue that the 1FZ has the same power potential, or parts availability, of the LS series engines. The Toyota motors are awesome, don't get me wrong, but so are the LS motors.

Ultimately it comes down to personal preference! @cruisermatt already has an all Toyota FJ62 with a fully rebuilt 3FE. I can see why he'd like to play with some american muscle

 

[Delancy]

Used, untouched bottom end....



Boost away....

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Not sure what that video has to do with this thread, but that is a 1FZ!

There's nothing wrong with @cruisermatt selecting the LS motor. I think it's a great choice.

EDIT:
I'm probably biased towards non-toyota drivetrains as I have no Toyota drivetrain components left in my 60!

 

[SNLC]

Luckily there's basically three of the same build going on at the same time right now so we can all help each other out... FJ62's on 80 frames with V8's!

Looked at engines and transmissions briefly today. I definitely want to use the factory 62 auto shifter with the GM auto, I know it's been done with the 4L80e but can it be done with the 6L80e? I saw that Advance Adapters has a 6L80e-to-splitcase adapter listed.... Got me thinking.

As for the motor I definitely am liking the looks of the LQ9, as cool as an LS3 is the price difference really is remarkable, and I can always swap down the road. I do eventually want it to be an FZJ6.2 after all... Get it? FJ62? 6.2 liter motor (LS3)? Or FZJ6.0? 6.0 LQ9? I thought it was funny...

I am sure you are doing your research but stick to the truck platform engines. The Camaro or Vette engines sit low in those cars and due to that have the accessories mounted low. Like the alt, it is way way low. Also, I got a tuner/wiring guy I work with in Boise, they have gotten 410hp on one build and about 465hp on another in the LQ9, it is simply a matter of cam and tune. Much cheaper to pick up a 6L and 4L80 than to buy the 6.2L. I want the 6.2L and 6l80 pretty badly but for the cost of just the 6.2L I can buy both engine and trans plus do the cam and tune on the LQ9. I have got an LQ9 and 4L80 in a 2001 work truck, bought it new. it now has 200,000 on it. Damn thing has been rock solid. Zero trans issues in all those miles and it has towed a lot. All the engine has ever needed was a starter, alt, water pump and regular maintenance. I had a 3FE sitting here that blew a hole in the block at 206,000, so ya I agree that Toyotas are reliable but Chevy is nearly as good in my experience.

I fully agree with Frank about trying to keep the stock 80 fuel tank. Thing is once you deal with the drivetrain and exhaust there may not be much room for it. I will know more when I get to that point but in my 80 with the vortec, there was not much room at all for exhaust routing.

Oh ya and going all Toyota is certainly cool but will cost a lot more $$$. I had a S/C Tacoma with some other mods too. It rocked and had plenty of power. I also now have the v8 100, also sweet. Thing is the Chevy v8's are slightly better than either of these, cost way less and are maybe even more reliable. At least over the 5VZ in the Taco. I smoked the throttle body (sensors) on that engine with the S/C due to heat sink.

Cheers

 

[Delancy]

Not sure what that video has to do with this thread, but that is a 1FZ!

White Stripe made mention of potential failures boosting.....I was just too lazy to quote.

Although the video is irrelevant to the point of the incorrect thread title, another vote to keep it Cruiser and the FZ, pinnacle of the F tractor I6s, just belongs there, in my OE fanboy way of thinking.

 

[cruisermatt]

I step away for TWO HOURS and this is what your guys do?! Lol.

 

[cruisermatt]

@cruisermatt already has an all Toyota FJ62 with a fully rebuilt 3FE. I can see why he'd like to play with some american muscle

Well, that truck is getting an NV4500 and 203 so "All-Toyota" on that truck went out the window

 

[GLTHFJ60]

Well, that truck is getting an NV4500 and 203 so "All-Toyota" on that truck went out the window

Well it was all Toyota

 

[NCFJ]

I agree that you go to any car show and all you see are LS and Vortec motors, in everything. If I were building something for the show circuit I would certainly consider something off the beaten path, just to be different or keep things all in one family, Toyota etc.

But when it comes to building a vehicle from the ground up with dependability and serviceability in mind it is very hard to beat the GM platform. Simply put, it ain't your grandfather's SBC. The kind of power that the 5.3L on up put out is just too hard to say no to, just to be a purist. It just goes against (my) common sense I guess. I won't even get into bang for the buck when it comes to take out motors. Being able to swap in a crate motor down the line, priceless.

In the end, there is not one "right" way, just different ways. I too have my own level of hypocrisy, I would try to talk a prospective customer out of a Vortec in a 40 at this point, just from an overall value point of view.

Do what makes ya feel warm and fuzzy Matt

 

[cruisermatt]

The day I picked up the chassis I had about five different motor ideas that I spun around in my head all in the course of about three hours. Those were (not in order):

2UZ
1FZ (N/A)
1HZ or 1HD turbocharged diesel
Some version of GM V8
Hemi

I don't really NEED this truck to be fast. I just want it to drive like a modern SUV in terms of straight-line performance. And I want really-good highway gearing. And I want it to ride nice. Basically everything I tore out of my red 62 (except it keeps up with traffic very well besides the low gearing).

So let's look at the options and dissect this a little bit:

I like the availability of GM parts. I like that I can buy a low-mileage engine and transmission for less than $1500 and it makes 300-40HP already.

Hemi would be ludicrous but cool.
2UZ would be too complicated, parts availability ain't that great and it ain't that much better then a 1FZ.

The 1FZ powers a stock 80 just fine for my tastes, driven about ten of them and was fine with all. It's the parts availability that's the issue though, and with the 2UZ I'd be married to the 80 transfer case. I want to use the 62 split case.

The 1HZ with an H55F would be really cool it's just not in the monetary cards. Engine mounts are already there though so that's cool. My next truck will be a bone stock FJ62 with a 1HZT/H55f.

So that narrows it down to the LS series. I have seven LS swaps into Defenders scheduled for the next year so I'll get plenty of practice

So, triple-turbo Hemi it is

 

[Delancy]

I love the HZ/H55/BF1A....and I mean like I wanna take it to bed and softly caress it.

Although I have little doubt that a MT'd 1FZ would surprise the chit out of all of us accustomed to the slushy A343F, the HZ has truly amazed, considering the engine "technology" dates back to when man scratched pics of woman on cave walls.

You wont find an easier swap....can literally hook up fuel lines, roll start, drive, clutch to stall without a single wire hooked up, pushing 37s up hills in 5th that an A343F two steps to crest.

 

[Tapage]

1HZ it's a good work engine .. but it's no fun ..

 

[cruisermatt]

I love the HZ/H55/BF1A....and I mean like I wanna take it to bed and softly caress it.

I've driven and ridden in that combo in an FJ40 extensively and I share your feelings. Enough so that I would be willing to join it AND you in bed... It's not gay if it's a in a threeway!!!

And I know how easy it would be.

But,

It's not what I want for this truck. Mark my words though, you will see a 1HZ in one of my trucks eventually.