Clemson Fans

[clemson55]

That's a shame. Cocks wind up with the#4 recruiting class
according to ESPN. I just hate rubbing salt in a wound.
Guess Tommy can blame next year on academics. What was the GPA
for this year's bunch? Wasn't it like 2.1 something?
Don't worry, Tommy will coach this new bunch up and ya'll
will win 8 or 9 games again this year. Korn is gonna save the day
if nothing else.
I bet those Gamecock recruits are dumb as rocks and couldn't get in CU
and that is why they didn't get recruited by ya'll in the first place.
USC : College for Dummies Loosing with dummies for over a hunderd
yars and countin'

Your only #6 on Rivals which is the #1 place to find out anything about recruiting so dont inflate yourself to top 5. And all the proves is that you can pay players more kinda like Illinois 2-10 on the season #10 class in the country, and their best commit who turned down Notre Dame basically said "it was just about the money" on radio. Lastly 2 of the 6 players we reportedly turned away because of grades comitted to USC so maybe your recruits are dumb as rocks.

 

[Gundy]

the sky is falling

Your only #6 on Rivals which is the #1 place to find out anything about recruiting so dont inflate yourself to top 5. And all the proves is that you can pay players more kinda like Illinois 2-10 on the season #10 class in the country, and their best commit who turned down Notre Dame basically said "it was just about the money" on radio. Lastly 2 of the 6 players we reportedly turned away because of grades comitted to USC so maybe your recruits are dumb as rocks.

Dude! ESPN said #4. That's what I said. Holy Cow...they are ONLY # 6 on Rivals. ROFLMAO. Pay for play is a CU tradition, not a USC one. Show me where USC paid a player or put that garbage rumor stuff to bed. I can show you where CU
paid if you want to go there.
If you really believe those two came to USC because CU turned them away
then I have a bridge in San Fran I could sell you. Put down the koolaide.
BTW....what has the CU hondos said about your entry standards
since that Mikey Plyler rant?
For what it's worth , I think it's shameful to discuss a recruits confidential
information in public like that. I'll bet you it violates NCAA policy.
Tarring a specific kid with this kind of "Dummy" talk is very damaging
and I'm betting future recruits will hear of it from the other schools next year.
They should. Shame on Mickey Pyler.

 

[clemson55]

BTW....what has the CU hondos said about your entry standards
since that Mikey Plyler rant?
For what it's worth , I think it's shameful to discuss a recruits confidential
information in public like that. I'll bet you it violates NCAA policy.
Tarring a specific kid with this kind of "Dummy" talk is very damaging
and I'm betting future recruits will hear of it from the other schools next year.
They should. Shame on Mickey Pyler.

Shame on him my A** god forbid he does his job as a reporter and report the truth and god forbid he try and stand up for the program he supports. I commend him for having the balls to stand up for something and call out injustices being done. Why should he sit back and watch this kind of BS happening and watch people he supports eg the coaching staff be forced to compete on an unlevel playing field when he has the opportunity to do something about it. Oh and this kids info isnt confidential when you are a big time college football recruit you lose that kind of confidentiality, just like any other athlete.

 

[Gundy]

poor judgement

this kids info isnt confidential when you are a big time college football recruit you lose that kind of confidentiality, just like any other athlete.

Sorry, but you and MP are WRONG on that. There is NO waiver of confidentiality
by a kid for going to "big time" CU. Whoever gave this info to MP commited
a serious breach of ethics, unless it was the kids themselves, which I doubt.
Stay tuned. I'll bet Barker finds the source and takes action.

Edit addition:
Family Educational Right to Privacy Act (Buckley Amendment)
20 USC S. 1232g

S. 1232g. Family educational and privacy rights

(b) Release of education records; parental consent requirement; exceptions; compliance with judicial orders and subpoenas; audit and evaluation of Federally-supported education programs; recordkeeping.

(1) No funds shall be made available under any applicable program to any educational agency or institution which has a policy or practice of permitting the release of educational records (or personally identifiable information contained therein other than directory information, as defined in paragraph (5) of subsection (a)) of students without the written consent of their parents to any individual, agency, or organization, other than to the following--

(A) other school officials, including teachers within the educational institution or local educational agency, who have been determined by such agency or institution to have legitimate educational interests;
(B) officials of other schools or school systems in which the student seeks or intends to enroll, upon condition that the student's parents be notified of the transfer, receive a copy of the record if desired, and have an opportunity for a hearing to challenge the content of the record;

(C) authorized representatives of (i) the Comptroller General of the United States, (ii) the Secretary, (iii) an administrative head of an educational agency (as defined in section 408(c) , or (iv) State educational authorities, under the conditions set forth in paragraph (3) of this subsection;

(D) in connection with a student's application for, or receipt of, financial aid;

(E) State and local officials or authorities to whom such information is specifically required to be reported or disclosed pursuant to State statute adopted prior to November 19, 1974;

(F) organizations conducting studies for, or on behalf of, educational agencies or institutions for the purpose of developing, validating, or administering predictive tests, administering student aid programs, and improving instruction, if such studies are conducted in such a manner as will not permit the personal identification of students and their parents by persons other than representatives of such organizations and such information will be destroyed when no longer needed for the purpose for which it is conducted;

(G) accrediting organizations in order to carry out their accrediting functions;

(H) parents of a dependent student of such parents, as defined in section 152 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954; and

(I) subject to regulations of the Secretary, in connection with an emergency, appropriate persons if the knowledge of such information is necessary to protect the health or safety of the student or other persons.

 

[GXO]

Football sucks!


*ducks*

 

[clemson55]

Sorry, but you and MP are WRONG on that. There is NO waiver of confidentiality
by a kid for going to "big time" CU. Whoever gave this info to MP commited
a serious breach of ethics, unless it was the kids themselves, which I doubt.
Stay tuned. I'll bet Barker finds the source and takes action.

You can find out everything about anyone on the internet and even more so if you are at all famous like being a major college football player. Try coming to the real world.

As for paying players if you think USC hasnt done it you are blind EVERY school has.

 

[ClemsonCruiser]

As for paying players if you think USC hasnt done it you are blind EVERY school has.

I agree I can't help but believe that pretty much all athletetically competetive universities have at one time or another payed for the players they got.......... it is a part of the game

 

[Gundy]

You can find out everything about anyone on the internet and even more so if you are at all famous like being a major college football player. Try coming to the real world.

Yeah and anyone can commit murder. It's STILL illegal and unethical.
Try coming to the legal world.
I'll bow out of this thread now. It was for CU fans and I should not have interloped.
'cept for responding to Jp below.

 

[Gundy]

Some truths are self evident

I agree I can't help but believe that pretty much all athletetically competetive universities have at one time or another payed for the players they got.......... it is a part of the game

Key word here is "competitive". I'd bet USC has paid and just not gotten caught.
CU has it in print.
But, then again, we all know USC ain't exactly a competitive school athletically
and lord knows it's grads are dumb as rocks.
I'm outta here. Best wishes to CU and I hope ya'll get this thing resolved.

 

[ClemsonCruiser]

I am sure this will fade away as there is a long stretch between now and Labor Day............ the "iron" will have cooled by then I imagine.

It just gives us Clempson folk a nice scapre goat if the season doesn't go so well next year ......... we can blame it on the academic board

 

[CandyPants]

So I am not a Clemson fan, or USC or any school really...but I have a thought here. College is to prepare you for your career, right? People with high GPA's, SAT scores, student activities, etc. get in because they excel at something. Why isn't football the same? Or Baseball...or another sport that has a professional league? They beat up their bodies game after game to win for the school, to make money, to get noticed, to go pro. Kids that want to be doctors and lawyers beat up their brains, then give money to the school later when they are loaded. People make choices on what they want to do when they grow up...and some are just not cut out to be intellectuals. If college is not the place to develop these folks, then where is? Football School? I just don't think it's bad to have different evaluation methods for different career choices. Teach athletes public speaking, physics for sports, coaching, physical therapy, manners, ethics, stuff that will make them better at their chosen profession. Don't expect them to learn quantum physics...they don't care! And if they fail at their chosen curriculum, kick them out!

Where I went to school, it was common for the Premed folks to carry really high GPA's and for the education majors to squeak by. Just think about that, we expect our teachers to be mediocre but then we say that our education system is bad?

Now don't get me wrong, I realize that this cuts out women's sports almost completely since there are very few professional women's sports leagues, but let's get real...there are very few women's sports leagues. LEARN TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately and just thought here would be a good place to brain dump. Rant off.

 

[89s rule]

Just because you may be more intelligent doesn't mean you are a better person. I was less fortunate in the brain world and I did not have a high score on the SAT...doesn't mean I'm dumb, I just can't take a standardized test. Clemson saw my potential in other areas and I took summer school at Clemson before my freshman year and graduated with a degree in forestry. My GPA was never spectacular but I got that sheet of paper and that's all that matters. No employer has ever asked me what my GPA was, why? cause they don't give a s***. Look at the student athletes and look how many have graduated...it's a high percentage. Just cause they all didn't get a degree in medicine doesn't mean they are dumb. Everyone has their own level of "smartness" and it is the university's best interest to have their athletes gradute. Why do you think they have mandatory study hall for them. If colleges only looked at GPA's then we'd have a bunch of Ivey league football players.

I am not saying they do not have a place...they do..thats what JUCO is for. (a 670 SAT come one! I am not talkign about the guy with a 900 whatever.) I am not talking about your or I being brilliant or dumb. Yes some people cannot take a SAT or ACT, I hear that one almost every day too. But if you look at grades and test scores you can tell a good bit as far as what type of student they will be in college.

Again this is not like public school with the "no child left behind" CRAP. You have the 4 years of HS to prove you deserve a chance to attend a school. Its not a right its a privilage.


I am glad Clemson let you in and you graduated...thats awesome! (I think its also awesome that jobs done ask your GPA too .) I do know for a fact that CU treated/s applicants differently depending on what major they say they want to do. Which I think is crap and another deal all together.

There is alot of really crazy stuff once you get on the other side of higer education. Just like everything else that you get into after being in it/going through it.

Not trying to piss anyone off here or anything, but there are reasons why they have grades and tests.

I think it could be cool to teach atheletes basics of being an athlete, but not sure if that is a good idea to only teach them about that and not about other things as well. Again this is what a JUCO is for, getting an idea of whsat they might like to do with thier life outside of sports, b/c for 99% if them sports will not be thier carrer.