China-free in 2008

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Alvin i completely agree with you, we have become a disposable society and thats not good practice for goods or the earth. i for one dont think that way, i dont own alot of "stuff" i dont shop much at cheap places because i have learned a long time ago you get what you pay for. heck we just replaced our 13 yr old TV recently. i understand that i must be a minority because i cant see how places like walmart harbor freight ect would be in buisiness if the country was full of,,,, me,, i just dont buy enough on a regular basis.

heres my problem that i started to address in my other above posts.
all the world is shady,, the inspection systems like USDA and others we enjoy in this country were put in place specifically for this countries "shady" practices as we were growing just like china is today. we did all the same stuff, lead paint, asbestos, formaldahide you name it, china hasnt done anything new. the real problem lies with this country and our government, not that they are stonwalling us like BMAN seems to think, but that they are not placing enough responsibility on other countries and not inspecting as well as they should be to make this import buisiness safe.
if you were to start a camapaign to rid the world of chinese made products and succeeded, all the problems we see would simply move to the next country that started producing goods for us.
i believe your sentiments are agreed with by most of us, but we need to pressure our own goverment for improvement. besides your not going to be successful in keeping chinese made goods out of your home,,, you can buy the "made in wherever" shirt but the buttons prolly came from china. everything i have read states that a "made in" tag can be placed on any item as long as one of the parts that make that item were made in that country, or the parent design company is in that country.

p.s. id also add that although its not anti china,,, my wife and i make many of our buying descisions based on mother nature as well, we find ourselves not buying some of the things we might have and keeping or reusing alot of things. i do alot of repair on older appliances and other household goods we own for a couple reasons that i wont get into on this thread.
 
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I have always believed that the downfall of American society can be attributed to the invention of the Bic lighter.

Up until that time, if you were a smoker, you used either matches or a Zippo. The Zippo may have been given to you by your father or could have been your grandfather's with the United States Steel logo on it that they got for an award for safety or whatever. It was (is) a keepsake.

My point is, that if you had a Zippo, you had to care for it (lube the hinge, replace the flint, fill it with fuel etc.) With the Bic, when you are done, you throw it away and buy a new one. That is where it all started with the disposable lifestyle of America.

Dave
 
haha yeah i agree dave, thats an awsome view. i remember reading something like that years ago. i try to live more zippo than bic, to the point where i can feel good about my lifestyle but not to the point of inconvenience.
 
Mexico less shady than China? That's rich... tell me more.

No, but they are your neighbour. And less likely to harbour a large communist military which could alter the future.

Mexico has it's problems, but it isn't as bad as China. Do you hear of countless illegal mines in Mexico with cave ins? Or as many numerous human rights violations...etc.

Money earned by US spenders in China goes into bolstering there military. In Mexico it probably just lines pockets of some corrupt politician.. :)


Sorry for me budding into your club discussions here.... I just noticed an interesting topic and felt like speaking out ....cheers:beer:
 
Howdy! Dave, I think the brown paper bag comes in second after the Bic Butane. Brownbear, some of those US $$$ are going somewhere other than military, seeing as they have the fastest growing economy in the world right now. In another 50 or 75 years their population and their economy will overwhelm the rest of us. John
 
Alvin you :princess:, lead is good for you.


I've spent some time in China. The short story is it blows. Take the worst of capitalism and the worst of communism. There is no pride in workmanship. They consider doing a "good job" is just finishing it.
 
Howdy! Dave, I think the brown paper bag comes in second after the Bic Butane.

I still use my "Rat Patrol" lunchbox on occassion, but mostly I use a standard black steel Alladin box that was my grandfathers.
 
Chime in all you want brownbear. It's an open forum and an open discussion.

I, for one, would rather buy "hecho en Mexico" because they are our neighbor. They have their own problems, but are better than China, I think.
 
Agreed Brown Bear! I'm just givin yall shome chit. While Mexico is our neighbor and I understand the thought behind your arguments. The place however is still a mess. The Govt. is just as corrupt as ours and China's, but in a different way is all.

While I believe that Alvin's quest is a noble one, it's simply a very hard cause to take on in this day and age. I applaud him and all other takers for trying.
 
You need to ammend it to "Cheap-Chinese-Free" in 2008, maybe. There are some good products coming out of Chinese factories that are subsidiaries of US or other international companies, and the quality/performance is indistinguishable from what you would get from any of their other sites, including those in the US. But I'm with you on the crap stuff, as well as the knock-offs that are clear patent violations, and pirated, copyrighted material...
 
hey phil i hear an echo:flipoff2:


re-gud, good point IMO,,,, i mentioned i make many buying choices on more than just country of origin.
as far a hecho en mexico, i too would more happily support such a trade with our neighbors, and if,,, IF,,, mexican gov didnt pocket it all and squash mexican labor it would really help our immigration situation, especially when the majority of mex immigrants dont want to live here, they just need the paycheck. or so i'm told.
 
Keep in mind, if you really boycotted China products I doubt any of you would be on this Ih8mud website using your Chinease made computer, typing on your Chinese made keyboard and clicking with your Chinese made mouse.
Mexico asembles alot of components but most of your products having injection molded plastic and tooling is in China and/or Malaysia and Tiawian.

Chris
 
My keyboard is Thai and my mouse is Chinese. Good thing I'm boycotting the boycott.
 
After we have had to return a good majority of my sons Thomas the Train and Fisher Price toys because of lead painted parts - I 100% understand the pissed of reactions!
I read article of US toy companies that typically specialize in wood related toys are seeing huge profits over the summer. People will pay a premium for these kind of toys that are sold in boutique toy stores and internet sites. Big box retail are even taking orders from the small US toy factories.

This is a specific area where we can help a fellow American business man/woman achieve their dream.

Chris
 
My keyboard is Thai and my mouse is Chinese.

So that has been the problem with all your posts on this forum! Whew, and to think I thought it was you that had the communication problems. After all this time, finding out now, that it was just a simple language breakdown between your mouse and keyboard at the root of your problem.:flipoff2:
 
How about this next club meetings wear only clothes made in the USA and give a prize for the person wearing the most made in USA clothes. Buying USA is hard sometimes impossible others
 
No, but they are your neighbour. And less likely to harbour a large communist military which could alter the future.

Mexico has it's problems, but it isn't as bad as China. Do you hear of countless illegal mines in Mexico with cave ins? Or as many numerous human rights violations...etc.

Money earned by US spenders in China goes into bolstering there military. In Mexico it probably just lines pockets of some corrupt politician.. :)


Sorry for me budding into your club discussions here.... I just noticed an interesting topic and felt like speaking out ....cheers:beer:
Funny I was just discussion this the other night.

You sir are correct China scares the crap out of me.
 
Keep in mind, if you really boycotted China products I doubt any of you would be on this Ih8mud website using your Chinease made computer, typing on your Chinese made keyboard and clicking with your Chinese made mouse.
Mexico asembles alot of components but most of your products having injection molded plastic and tooling is in China and/or Malaysia and Tiawian.

Chris

I must respectfully disagree on 2 counts:

First of all my Sony Vaio laptop is made here in U.S.A. Yes it's made of foreign components but it's made here! And surprise surprise... it's a GREAT laptop and has been very reliable!

Second, the idea that only Chinese companies can injection mold, assemble, etc is wrong. I realize that was not your point, but it's worth mentioning.

So, buy a Sony PC and you can beat the Chinese! Buy a Lenovo and you support the ChiComs...
 
I understand your point, and my point was never meant suggest the Chinese are the only ones to tool and injection mold parts. We work with 2 injection molding companies right here in Phoenix, so yes there are injection molding houses in the states. These guys typically mold plastic for medical devices, scanning equipment, radar casing,etc typical low/medium qtys that most of us dont consume or throw away daily or every couple of years.
My point was high volume/low dollar products we consume everyday and cant avoid. There are several state side companies that turnkey products with in the states i.e. Proctor Gamble, J&J and Phizer,etc.
unfortunatly ones of these giants was accused of using consumable goods from China that was in a recall.

Interesting the Sony is made in USA, and I would agree most if not all the components are shipped from China/Malaysa.

Good topic of conversation...
Chris
 
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