CD player finally crapped out. Ordered AVIC-Z1

[LX470Pilot]

Wow! thanx for all the pix - its very informative!!!

Really gives me a better idea of how everything is held together in there.

The biggest difference I saw is in the actual cutout for the Head unit - my LX has the Nakamichi premium stereo, and it looks to me like the headunit and bezel are one and the same - haven't taken it apart yet, so I could be wrong.

On a personal preference note, I have to say I hate your choice of placement for the microphone - I like to be able to see the whole dash without having to look around things - I'll be interested to follow whether you keep this configuration or move it to another location; you certainly have enough extra cable wrapped up next to the dash air-vent.

Again, thanx for all the wonderful pix and play-by-play - we all appreciate the effort, and will continue to learn from, and use it as reference for a long time to come!

-LX Pilot

 

[ZJ2UZJ100]

I haven't seen the Nakamichi unit.

But here is the factory radio I pulled out. You can see how much bezel is there. It sits entirely behind the center stack dash trim bezel.

Versus the Pioneer unit that protrudes out through the opening of the center stack dash trim bezel, because it has to in order for the screen to move.

 

[1loudLX]

Pilot, i had the nak premium system in my LX. Here is my dash.

 

[ColtSwitch]

I am going with the kenwood DDX6019 and 510 hidaway nav.

I have read some nasty reviews on the Pioneer. Especially the bluetooth.

The Z1 has a better interface and nice features, but like I said, for what it costs, it should be alot better. Reports of echo on the bluetooth, slow load times, and the navigation is often way off.

The kenwood has a separate module for the nav but one of the best as it is built by Garmin.

I have the older generation of Kenwood DVD and hidaway nav in my 93 Rx7 and loved it. Plus I got every accessory I wanted for the Kenwood and still came out cheaper than the Pioneer Headunit alone.

I got the rearview camera, tv tuner, xm radio, xm navtraffic (shows real time traffic here in dallas, tx into the navigation), ipod adapter, and bluetooth for my phone.

All that for under $1500. I look to get it installed this week or next. Awaiting on all the parts to get here.

I will do pictures, but having it all professionally installed.

 

[aedgington]

Nice install. Was the cable for the microphone not long enough to get really stealthy?

 

[BMWSTOY]

Very nice pics and write up and install : wanting to do the same errr, or close. Found the Z1 for 1900 and would love to do it, but found the Kenwood package for 1000 on ebay - refurb. Note for those shopping - the KNA-G510 Kenwood is made by Garmin, but it does not have the hard drive for the music - very nice

Thanks again.

 

[KINA]

cd player

DID'NT KNOW THE 100 HAD A 6 YEAR SHELF LIFE.......MY 1998's CD PLAYER/RADIO/TAPE DECK WORKS AS THOUGH IT WERE ON 06',NO PROBLEMS YET" KNOCK ON WOOD"..

 

[ZJ2UZJ100]

Welcome, ColtSwitch

ColtSwitch:

1st) Welcome to MUD! I am honored to see your first post was on this thread.

2nd) Here's what I've noticed for the Z1 thus far (good, bad , or ugly)....

o "Echo on the BlueTooth" unit is true. Pioneer should look into a firmware update to improve the E-Can. Remote callers hear their own voice as an echo, though you don't hear any echo on your end. I can hear it when wifey calls me from the unit. It's bearable (sweet lemons right?), but wifey's friends and family don't like it. I haven't tried varying the microphone placement yet.

BlueTooth connectivity is perfect. Finds my phone in less than 20 seconds. Never drops. No interference from other devices. Have tried it with Sanyo cellpone and Palm Treo.

o The GPS is always dead nuts accurate on map position vs. real world. It's never been wrong. The system self-calibrates with its built-in inertial sensors (tilt, pitch and lateral g-force), reverse and speed sense. You can also manually position the arrow on the screen. So some dead reckoning along with GPS makes it work well.

Maybe the complaints stem from poor GPS antenna placement? Mine's on the dash. Maybe they drive in canyons or cities where buildings might block the view to the satellites?

o Load time. It takes about 10 seconds to boot the system when you put ACC power on. You have to hit the "OK" button on the lawyer screen before you can pick a different audio source (FM, AM, Sat, Hard Drive Library, iPod, DVD, Aux) than whatever the most recent source was. Not too bad, eh?

The Nav is ready immediately after I acknowledge the "Warning, seems you have not connected your parking brake correctly...." screen. ***ahem!***. It is ready much faster than our RoadMate 700, another HDD based portable nav unit that seems to takes 40 seconds to boot.

o Costs me more than your Kenwood kit. I bought through Crutchfield for (I think) $1.8K. Unit + harness +iPod module + BT module = $2.1K. I stayed away from the schlock house internet sellers, who were quite a bit cheaper. I wanted to avoid any warranty disputes if something went wrong. I found a couple of guys selling for $1300. Take your own chances.

The flip side is I didn't have to find a place to hide and route to a separate NAV unit. Nav maps are all on the hard drive, the hard drive can automatically store music ripped from the CDs you play. There's touch screen, extra outputs for rear TV monitor and inputs for 2 extra sources (1 Vid/Audio and 1 Aud). You can also daisychain XM and/or Sirius Sat, and Traffic module sources.

With all the work put into the Pioneer, I'm willing to put up with the phone echo. It's miles better than the stock unit. And bye-bye CDs.

So let us know how the Kenwood install goes.

 

[ZJ2UZJ100]

Aedgington...

There was plenty of excess microphone wire. I just got lazy.

I can (and probably will) relocate it to the driver's visor by snaking it up the A-pillar. That's a little closer to your mouth when you speak. Hopefully , that will dampen some road noise and dash vibrations a little better. And maybe it will clean up some echo.

I've seen other intalls in driver's head rest (nah!) and top of the A-pillar trim (nah!).

I just used the mic that came in the box. There might be other good noise cancelling mics out there you could use. The mic jack into the back of the Z1 was standard ( ?1.8mmI think?) sized coax.

 

[ZJ2UZJ100]

BMWSTOY:

Is there a warranty with that refurb Kenwood?

If you are willing to buy a Refurbed Kenwood for $1K, without the HDD Nav and music storage, you should look into the schlockers selling Z1's at around $1.3K.

 

[ZJ2UZJ100]

Kina:

More power to yours.

Problems on the OE unit were intermittent. We lost CD slots 4/5/6 for about a month. The whack on the dash technique worked for a while. But then it seemd to just give up. After I ordered the replacement, they magically started working again. Got all the disks out before ripping it out.

 

[ZJ2UZJ100]

Updates: BlueTooth echo fix and Gracenote.

I did 2 updates to the AVIC-Z1 in the Land Cruiser last night.

A patch was released in December that claims to fix the BlueTooth phone Echo that most people had complained about. I ran the patch, but haven't had time to check out the quality of the echo cancellation. Word on the avic411 forum is that it works pretty well. The patch is downloadable through a few servers mentioned there. You can download it, unzip it, then burn the ISO file to a CD. Insert the CD and, after it is recognized, hit the MAP button and it will run. I haven't found a download directly from Pioneer, but some say you can call their tech support and complain to get them to ship you a CD.

A Gracenote database (provides title/artist information to the unit for each CD that it rips) was recently released. It appears to include info for CDs released through October, 2006. I know, it's a bit behind. But it found title info for 5 or 6 CDs that previously were "unknown" and had shown up with a date for the song and album titles.

I highly recommend lurking www.AVIC411.com for more details. I haven't forgotton this is the 100-Series forum, so here is some iH8mud content:
Need some more snow here in Boston to check out 4wd performance

 

[JamesInLV]

ZJ2UZJ100 - thank you very much for the detailed posting last year. I just bought an AVIC-D3 to go in my '99 LC, and the installation was a breeze with your instructions. With a few notes from Avic411.com, hunting for wiring information for both the stock system and my harness kit (missing the 1-page wiring list), the stereo finally installed in just a couple hours. I probably spent two hours hunting for wiring information before even getting started. Pulling lines was easy. I put my satellite receiver in about the same spot as you, and am getting 7 to 8 satellites (out of 8) almost all the time. I didn't hook up the reverse wire yet, as I don't have a camera nor an FSM to locate the reverse wire you used, so not much of a need either. It would simply make the GPS a little more accurate, but heck...how much time do you spend in reverse anyway?!?

Next step is new front speakers (MB Quart), rear speakers are already done (Polk 650), and Pioneer bluetooth module install, all arriving courtesy of UPS tomorrow. After visiting several stores price-shopping and continuously coming up with an installation markup of $400 or more, I was able to buy the deck alone for $230 less than I would have paid anywhere else, with free install (my time & effort) and the install was a breeze thanks to your details.

 

[ZJ2UZJ100]

Jamesin LV: re finding Reverse and Speed signals

Nice job.

After sending you that PM about how to find those signals going into the ECM, I thought the pinout info would be helpful for the thread.

the 2000 FSM shows total of 5 connectors on it. They are all keyed differently with different pin counts, so they should be unique and easy to identify when you are looking at the ECU.

I think this goes from top to bottom, as mounted vertically in the truck...
E5 (31 pins)
E6 (24 pins)
E7 (17 pins)
E8 (28 pins)
E9 (22 pins)

If you could look at these connectors from left to right, then

E8 is the one with the 2 signals I used. Here are the terminal locations when looking at the E8 connector ON THE ECU (not the cable), with the locking tab at the top, and flat surface on the bottom...You'll have to figure out how to match these up mirror image to the actual wiring harness you are tapping.

top row goes pin 9,8,7,(space),6,5,4,3,2,1.
middle row goes pin 19,18,17,16,15,14,13,12,11,10.
bottom row goes pin 28,27,26,25,24,23,(space),22,21,20.

SPD is a V (VIOLET) wire on E8 pin 15. That's middle row, 5th from the left. This should be a pulse from one of the wheels.

R(reverse) is a R-B (RED-BLUE?) wire on E8 pin 2. That's top row, second terminal from the right end.

So if you find the right connector and terminal location on the ECU, look at the wire coming out the back of the connector of the wiring harness that matches up to it for the right color.

 

[harryhoudini]

ZJ2UZJ100, could really use some help on my install. Could I give you a quick call or email?

mail AT scottberry.com

Thanks!

 

[JamesInLV]

ZJ2UZJ100, thank you for another great contribution. I successfully hooked up the reverse wire. I'm still experiencing a buzzing sound coming through my speakers. I tried both the harness ground (from the original stereo hookup) and grounding to a mounting bolt. The mounting bolt seemed to clear up the audio at first, but then I turned on the ignition after closing everything up...it was back! My guess is it's coming through the speed wire, but it's also somewhat engine speed sensitive (local shop said it might be related to the ignition system). Might have to start looking for yet another ground...or for all I know, the harness ground for everything would have been best so I'll be trying that first.

So now I have one more request, that you didn't do with your install but maybe you can help with. My AVIC-D3 installed has an "Illumination" wire, to auto-dim when the headlights are on. Do you know where I might pick up a lead for that wire? I think you just grounded it out with others, which is all I've done for now.

 

[ZJ2UZJ100]

Whoah. sorry it took so long for me to look at this thread.

Hopefully you have found your Illum wire. I did hook it up. It was in the factory radio harness; nothing I had to hunt around for. It might have been orange or yellow. I forget now. But it definitely was an obvious connection from the factory harness and from the Pioneer or Crutchfield cables.

 

[JamesInLV]

Whoah. sorry it took so long for me to look at this thread.

Hopefully you have found your Illum wire. I did hook it up. It was in the factory radio harness; nothing I had to hunt around for. It might have been orange or yellow. I forget now. But it definitely was an obvious connection from the factory harness and from the Pioneer or Crutchfield cables.

Well, took me a few months to get back to this, but unfortunately I couldn't find it. It looks like the harness adapter I have doesn't have an illumination wire connection. The wire from the Pioneer unit is obvious. I found an orange, unused wire from the factory harness and connected to that...nope, not it. Unless you have an epiphany, I'll probably track down a power wire from the faceplate that lights up when the headlights are on and just tap into that.

 

[WaterCruiser]

Steering Wheel Remote

ZJ2UZJ100 (& other AVIC owners)...

If you've not seen this little gadget, you can pick them up for under $25. I use it with a -Z2 and it's pretty nice - most functions right at your fingertips and it can be mounted on either the left- or right-hand side of the wheel. It works great with blackberry/bluetooth to answer & hangup, controls iPod, Sirius & XM in addition to the internalal AVIC features (disk library, AM/FM etc.)

 

[re_guderian]

Notice the position of the left and right mounting brackets on your Toyota radio. These "mounting ears" have to be removed and reinstalled onto the Pioneer unit. I think there were 4 small screws per side. Use the new screws supplied by Pioneer. I was only able to get 3 screws per side back into the Pioneer, as the predrilled holes didn't match exactly.

Now see the cavity you have to work with for the install. The AVIC-Z1 has lots of new connectors, cables, auxiliary connectors and labels that all have to fit, while not blocking the small fan in the back. You will also have to run GPS antenna, microphone, Speed Sense, Reverse Signal and Parking Brake sense wires into here, as well as any camera input, iPod/BlueTooth/Satellite modules. That's a lot of extra cable and connectors. Most of it will dangle down below the radio, where it turns out there is plenty of space.

I removed the Instrument Cluster trim panel (which has the dimmer adjust knob on it) by simply pulling rearward toward me. Like a lot of this truck, it's held by simple friction retaining clips. Disconnect the dimmer switch connector and set aside.

I partialling removed the knee trim below the steering wheel too. This was to give me some routing room. This was NOT a necessary step, but it helped when reaching up to pull the GPS cable across. There is a screw at the lower left corner. I am 90% sure from memory that the rest of the fasteners were just spring clips. Pull toward you to remove. Might need a little prying at each spot.

Sorry for the bump of an old thread...

Does anyone know what the white loom in the picture is for? I couldn't find it in the FSM (I have a 2000 UZJ). Inquiring minds want to know...