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I am not an RF Engineer....but I like radios and will tel you what I know. Hopefully, it is correct...:)

What I mean is Performance as in Better coverage patterns and increased range. Antenna placement and type make a difference in both receive and transmit performance.

If all you are concerned about is trail communications where everyone is within a mile of each other...you will be happy with your setup the way it is.

However, on the highway, where I use mine often, your type of setup would result in reduced performance. Antennas use what is called a Ground Plane and if your antenna is at an angle, your radial RF Signal pattern will be too.

Bottom line, your antenna uses your vehicle as a Ground Plane structure. Your setup is firing more of its RF Signal in to the ground and the sky than it is parallel to the earth's surface. This will affect the distance you achieve front to rear of your vehicle. It will also narrow your side to side pattern as well.

Also, if you note the antenna I am using, it is Top Loaded Coil. This simply means that the tighter "wind" of the coil is near the top 1/3 of the antenna. This puts the RF Radiating Pattern up high above the roof line.

Both antenna placement and the top coil performance advantage CLEARLY yield better performance that is easily noticeable at range. Within 1 mile, it will not really matter.

Also, loaded coil antennas are a compromise when it comes to CB. You typically lose a few DB of unity gain through an loaded coil. A proper 1/4 wave CB Antenna would have a length of 102" ... which is the infamous steel whip antenna you may recall. In theory, these perform teh best ... but they are not really practical.

Again, none of this is an issue if you are just using it on the trail.
For me, performance is an issue since I use my radio to communicate great distances on the highway. It makes a difference in both receive and transmit performance, especially when you start getting out on the big roads.

Sorry for the long answer.

Rich

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(Wikipedia) GROUND PLANE - In telecommunications , a ground plane structure or relationship exists between the antenna and another object, where the only structure of the object is a structure which permits the antenna to function as such (e.g., forms a reflector or director for an antenna)

By better performance do you mean increased range? As far as clarity and volume, I am very satisfied, but all the runs I've used this radio on, all the vehicles have pretty much been in visual range.
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Are you saying you get more noise .... like alternator noise or increased static ... when you run the engine? That would be a different issue.

Or are you saying the volume is so low you can;t hear the speaker when your engine is running? If that is the case, you need a speaker for sure...!! Hopefully, the Midland unit will drive it without an amplifier.

Post some pics...! :)

This Sunday I researched local Radio Shack stores and there was only 1 speaker available in only one store. I guess it is not very popular item.

The one existing one was missing the bracket and it had the special order invoice for the lady that ordered it. Go figure. I bought it anyway. It was the $25 one. I listen to the $7 external Jonathan my friend has in his LX450 and the sound was better then the Midland 75-822 but the one I got sounds much better. Let me qualify this.

The midland in low volume is fine. So sitting in the car with the engine off, the midland speaker is find. As soon as you started the car and added noise, you have to increase volume on the Midland and the sound got distorted and hard to understand. With the external speaker I can bring up the volume and understand very well. I was trying it when the radio was in weather mode. The weather mode eliminate the CB radio TX and RX issue.

I also bought a small push to talk microphone. The one you put on with a clip. So if it works I plan to stick the 75-822 someplace out of the way and just used the light microphone hanging from some place. This is still needs to be tested out.

I like to non-permanent setup as I don't want the CB radio in the cabin for DD and I don't drive with the antenna installed during my DD mode.

I'll take pictures soon.

Rami
 
sorry for the pic phone pic i have and ext speaker mounted down near the heater out let for the feet
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Filmpro,
Speaker
The increase noise is background noise, not interference noise. The talking voice is clear and clean. Plugging the external speaker makes it possible to increase volume without introducing distortion. Increasing volume on the external speaker to the point that the talking voice is too load, with no ill effect. So sounds like I found my solution.

Antenna
My is a Wilson that mounts on the ARB corner. It is long enough that the tip is way above the truck roof.
I should take a picture. I do not use the 75-855 internal antenna.

Offroad80,
Thanks for the picture. You broaden my horizons. :)
It gave me an idea to hung my 75-822 high out of the way. I was only looking low.

Rami
 
it took 2 weeks to make that roof console its got dvd screen in the back for the kids couldnt buy what i wanted i also made a small one just fitted between roof and sub tank gauge ome consoleif you want a pic may give you another option
 
it took 2 weeks to make that roof console its got dvd screen in the back for the kids couldnt buy what i wanted i also made a small one just fitted between roof and sub tank gauge ome consoleif you want a pic may give you another option

ya', some more info on the console would be good
 
OK...I get it now. Was just making sure. Glad the speaker worked out.


However, if you antenna is not TOP Loaded....then getting it above the roof is good but not the best solution.

BOTTOM Loaded antennas are really best for high mounting positions such as rooftops where the coil is above the roof line.

However, you system will work fine for most situations regardless of which antenna type you are using. I am talking about OPTIMAL performance here. Most folks do not need or require the type of range or performance I expect from my radios.


Pictures show the TOP Loaded Antennas I use exclusively on all my builds. Note the wind of the coil and how it gets "tighter" towards the top 1/3 of the antenna.

Filmpro,
Speaker
The increase noise is background noise, not interference noise. The talking voice is clear and clean. Plugging the external speaker makes it possible to increase volume without introducing distortion. Increasing volume on the external speaker to the point that the talking voice is too load, with no ill effect. So sounds like I found my solution.

Antenna
My is a Wilson that mounts on the ARB corner. It is long enough that the tip is way above the truck roof.
I should take a picture. I do not use the 75-855 internal antenna.

Offroad80,
Thanks for the picture. You broaden my horizons. :)
It gave me an idea to hung my 75-822 high out of the way. I was only looking low.

Rami
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What antennas are you guys using? I've had pretty bad luck so far with two different styles of fibreglass antennas and I'm looking for something better.
 
Van Ordt QS-464 - Power Stick, 4-1/2' Quad Wrap, Widebanded CB Antenna 200 Channel


Best antenna ever made next to a steel whip...:)

This truck has a knock off on it...I have several of those as well....the original is red. If anyone comes across any of the original Van Ordt antennas, let me know...I will buy all you can find.


What antennas are you guys using? I've had pretty bad luck so far with two different styles of fibreglass antennas and I'm looking for something better.
 
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