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are you using android or carplay? not sure that it matters, but curious. Seems like i read somewhere android was better on the EC offroad, apple on the naviplus - at least that was someone's opinion somewhere.

I think it's important to note the substantial differences between these two units:

EC Off Road: This is a unit that runs Android and has an app that is used for CarPlay. In my experience, Android devices don't get great updates. It _could_ mean (but not guaranteed, obviously) that this device or the CP app doesn't get updates and could become non-functional down the road.

NaviPlus: Actual CarPlay and AA. This is a device that conforms to CP/AA specs and uses the phone to display the CP/AA interface. This has very little updates that will need to happen. If Google or Apple update AA/CP to not work with older AA/CP compatible units, they'll have some angry customers.
 
I think it's important to note the substantial differences between these two units:

EC Off Road: This is a unit that runs Android and has an app that is used for CarPlay. In my experience, Android devices don't get great updates. It _could_ mean (but not guaranteed, obviously) that this device or the CP app doesn't get updates and could become non-functional down the road.

NaviPlus: Actual CarPlay and AA. This is a device that conforms to CP/AA specs and uses the phone to display the CP/AA interface. This has very little updates that will need to happen. If Google or Apple update AA/CP to not work with older AA/CP compatible units, they'll have some angry customers.
so you take a risk with both units that they may end up not being compatible and rendered useless is what you are saying?
 
Is it true that Naviplus is a fully certified CarPlay / Android Auto solution? Someone had posted that his Naviplus unit had an Android app tray and he could install Android apps. My understanding has always been that the Naviplus is just a more locked down Android unit that more or less only runs the CarPlay / AA app…. The ZLink app on the EC Off-road unit, to my knowledge, is also using the phone to render the interface.
 
thanks guys, this is all good info. I just wanted to verify before I install this unit. Would be cool if someone out there wrote the code to hack the native system to include carplay so everything worked normally with the same mic and everything, but I'm sure it's not that simple.
 
thanks guys, this is all good info. I just wanted to verify before I install this unit. Would be cool if someone out there wrote the code to hack the native system to include carplay so everything worked normally with the same mic and everything, but I'm sure it's not that simple.
Extremely unlikely that could be done. I think these add-on units are a pretty good compromise overall.

One thing I'll point out is that if the ZLink CarPlay / AA app stops working at some point on the EC Offroad unit, we can still run Android apps and the native Android Auto app can also be run to host locally installed apps in the Android Auto user interface (this doesn't work perfectly, even on my Samsung Galaxy, but does work).

If CarPlay / AA stops working on the Naviplus, you'll need to go back to living with the factory infotainment or replace the Naviplus with something else.

I've been using native Android apps mostly on the EC Offroad unit lately and for the most part, they work great. Obviously, the user interfaces aren't always ideal for driving, but that's really the only issue. Google Maps, Waze, Gaia, SiriusXM, and a variety of other music and other navigation apps all run fine as well as things like Torque Pro (if you want to use an OBD2 sensor). The EC Offroad unit can get Internet access via a WiFi personal hotspot connection to your phone, a WiFi connection to a dedicated hotspot, a USB to Ethernet adapter connected to a router, and so on. I set up a MOFI4500 cellular router connected to a USB to Ethernet adapter and the EC unit can now have a simultaneous CarPlay session AND Internet access (the WiFi built into the EC Offroad unit can only be used for one of CarPlay or Internet access at a time), so I can freely switch back and forth between CarPlay and Android apps as desired.
 
Is it true that Naviplus is a fully certified CarPlay / Android Auto solution? Someone had posted that his Naviplus unit had an Android app tray and he could install Android apps. My understanding has always been that the Naviplus is just a more locked down Android unit that more or less only runs the CarPlay / AA app…. The ZLink app on the EC Off-road unit, to my knowledge, is also using the phone to render the interface.
I believe this was a very early version of the NP unit. This no longer appears to be the case. As far as "officially certified" I can't speak to that. I do know that the NP unit displays Android Auto and there is no other "Android" GUI available if you don't have the phone plugged in. It's a different interface that's barebones.
 
I believe this was a very early version of the NP unit. This no longer appears to be the case. As far as "officially certified" I can't speak to that. I do know that the NP unit displays Android Auto and there is no other "Android" GUI available if you don't have the phone plugged in. It's a different interface that's barebones.
Yes, it's a barebones interface, but I'm nearly 100% certain that it's just a much more locked down Android unit that's doing the same thing the EC Offroad unit does for CarPlay / AA. Meaning that it would be just as dead in the water as the EC unit if CarPlay / AA stops working. It could be using a different Android app for CarPlay as the ZLink app that EC uses isn't the only option, so there's no guarantee that they would both stop working at the same time.
 
@greynolds Not doubting you, but I'm curious why you think NP is another Android interface? I would like to check it out for myself so I don't spread misinformation :) Thanks!
A few things...

1. That person who has/had the early unit that clearly was Android based. He was able to install apps from the Google Play Store. Zero question that one was running Android. I'd be surprised if Naviplus went from that solution to something that wasn't Android based.
2. If you look at the hardware, it looks pretty much 100% identical to the EC Offroad unit - it literally looks like it came off the same assembly line. Even if the hardware is 100% identical, that doesn't guarantee it's running Android, but it seems very likely.
3. It would probably be rather expensive (or likely impossible) for a relatively small business to develop a truly "certified" CarPlay / AA solution and it's also likely that Apple, especially, wouldn't really be interested in or willing to work with such an endeavor. Unlike the car manufacturers who can recover these costs by literally selling hundreds of thousands or millions of cars (even though the Land Cruiser sells in relatively small numbers, Toyota would be able to split the cost across all sales), a company like Naviplus most likely doesn't sell enough volume to recover those development costs.
4. It just kind of makes sense that when someone has already gone to the effort to build CarPlay / AA apps, it would be silly to reinvent the wheel on a product like this.

So I could certainly be wrong, but if I were a gambler, I'd be willing to bet a good sized pile of money on the Naviplus unit being Android based and locked down to pretty much just run the CarPlay / AA app (essentially ZLink or something comparable).

Story time... I was a beta tester for a DVD / Bluray player manufacturer for 5-6 years (Oppo Digital for those who may be in to such things). They wanted to include apps with their product because customers pretty much demand that these days. So on the first few generations of their Bluray players, they had Netflix and a few other apps. This was great at first, but they found it extremely difficult to get updates for those apps because they didn't sell enough volume for Netflix / Amazon, and others to pay attention to them and provide them with updated apps. And since they didn't have a way to run something standard, like native Roku apps, they needed special versions for their platforms. Customers started complaining that the apps didn't have all the whiz bang new features that were showing up on things like AppleTV and Roku. On their last generation of players, they opted to drop apps completely. While I think that was the right move, due to lack of support, it didn't do anything to boost sales of their products. Oppo Digital isn't exactly a small company - they're a division of the same Oppo that's a huge cell phone manufacturer. Oppo Digital is no longer making new products - they remain open only for repairs and customer support at this point and will most likely shut down completely shortly after the warranty runs out on the last product they sold.

So I'm applying some of that same logic here - I just don't think Naviplus would have the ability to get the attention they would need from Apple to develop a truly native / certified / sanctioned CarPlay solution.
 
are you using android or carplay? not sure that it matters, but curious. Seems like i read somewhere android was better on the EC offroad, apple on the naviplus - at least that was someone's opinion somewhere.
Apple CarPlay.
 
Got the NP wireless unit on Friday. Spent yesterday installing only to realize that it wasn't working properly, no sound in CarPlay. Turns out I'm missing the aux cable that was supposed to ship w the unit.

Also finding that Bluetooth and therefore wireless CarPlay are not working.... Bluetooth connected just fine when I first tested it, then I switched the Bluetooth connection type according to the instructions (none included in kit, all found here on mud) and it bricked it, won't show back up no matter what I do. I've tried every one of the connection types in the factory settings and I've tried forgetting the device on the phone end. Nothing works.

Basically I've paid almost 1k for a wireless CarPlay system that only runs wired and has no sound when using CarPlay.

I've written the NP guys asking to send the aux harness, hope they can do that.

If not I guess I'll return the whole thing and get rhe EC off-road unit.

What a damn shame that Toyota did not include CarPlay in my 2019 200. My base model 4-banger taco has it.
 
Well. I broke down and ordered the EC Offroad unit for my 2020. Should arrive next week. Likely going to have my audio shop put it in but if there's anyone in GA that has done this or had a shop do it and was pleased with the work please do let me know.

In any event, i'll report back my experience. This thread has been really helpful.
 
Got the NP wireless unit on Friday. Spent yesterday installing only to realize that it wasn't working properly, no sound in CarPlay. Turns out I'm missing the aux cable that was supposed to ship w the unit.

Also finding that Bluetooth and therefore wireless CarPlay are not working.... Bluetooth connected just fine when I first tested it, then I switched the Bluetooth connection type according to the instructions (none included in kit, all found here on mud) and it bricked it, won't show back up no matter what I do. I've tried every one of the connection types in the factory settings and I've tried forgetting the device on the phone end. Nothing works.

Basically I've paid almost 1k for a wireless CarPlay system that only runs wired and has no sound when using CarPlay.

I've written the NP guys asking to send the aux harness, hope they can do that.

If not I guess I'll return the whole thing and get rhe EC off-road unit.

What a damn shame that Toyota did not include CarPlay in my 2019 200. My base model 4-banger taco has it.

I hope your experience with NP tech support is better than mine. After weeks of going back and forth (where they implied I was doing something wrong), I ended up shipping the unit back to them for a refund. Fortunately for me, once they tested it, they did acknowledge that the unit had a bad USB chip in it and eventually issued a refund. It still cost me $128 to ship the unit back to them...and I'm sure they just threw it in the garbage, where it belonged in the first place. YMMV.
 
I hope your experience with NP tech support is better than mine. After weeks of going back and forth (where they implied I was doing something wrong), I ended up shipping the unit back to them for a refund. Fortunately for me, once they tested it, they did acknowledge that the unit had a bad USB chip in it and eventually issued a refund. It still cost me $128 to ship the unit back to them...and I'm sure they just threw it in the garbage, where it belonged in the first place. YMMV.

NP is sending me an aux cable, I'm covering the $24 for shipping. Still having trouble with the wireless side of it, kind of been a pain all around.
 
I took my Naviplus out today. It is just too quirky. It is awesome having CarPlay for Spotify and Gaia GPS works really well on the Android (the carplay version of Gaia is too neutered to be useful). These units are just good, not great. When everything is ideal, they seem to work reasonably well, but the integration is too awkward and it just doesn't have the ease of use I've come to expect from Apple and Toyota. Getting to Gaia on the Android when I start/restart the vehicle takes me a long press of nav and five screen button/icon "clicks", for example (what should be as simple as defaulting to what I had open last - automatically). It isn't "bad" by any means, it just isn't great.
 
NP is sending me an aux cable, I'm covering the $24 for shipping. Still having trouble with the wireless side of it, kind of been a pain all around.
If they forgot to send the cable with the original order, you shouldn‘t have to pay anything out of pocket. If it was an option you forgot to order, that would be different.
 
I took my Naviplus out today. It is just too quirky. It is awesome having CarPlay for Spotify and Gaia GPS works really well on the Android (the carplay version of Gaia is too neutered to be useful). These units are just good, not great. When everything is ideal, they seem to work reasonably well, but the integration is too awkward and it just doesn't have the ease of use I've come to expect from Apple and Toyota. Getting to Gaia on the Android when I start/restart the vehicle takes me a long press of nav and five screen button/icon "clicks", for example (what should be as simple as defaulting to what I had open last - automatically). It isn't "bad" by any means, it just isn't great.
Question for you. As I have thought about buying this the EC or the Fitting Bay for weeks. Is your main issue the Gaia interface and the plan in the are it is to get going or is it everything in general. Lets say I am interested in Apple CarPlay Wired/wireless, is that pretty straightforward and simple to use or is it just quirky all around? Thanks, Jeff
 

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