CALL FOR HELP- 3B in South Texas (Houston)

[fj803fe]

Hello,

To start, no she made it through Harvey just fine, we were blessed. Early in 2017 she started to sputter on the way home from work, just about to home the 3B (turbo-glide turboed in 2012) was struggling to stay running and then... dead stop and screeching tires. Had my wife come the mile or so and tow me home with the 200--it has sat since. I replaced all glows, checked the fuel pressure/delivery, inbline pump, EDIC is fine, had replaced the diaphram about a week ahead of this happening because the RPMs would climb, replaced the prime pump as it was always slowly relieving head in the line to the filter. I tried to turn it over after the glow plugs and prime pump and without much grief she started, but then immediately died. The starter then labored to spin the fly a revolution or two and I did not want to risk anything else.

I just moved to the area and am without the means to pull and work on the engine any longer. I have scoured the region for someone to tear into the engine and rebuild her if needed. I have received a lot of no call backs, I don't want to do it, "What is that engine?, no". Called Gulf Coast Crawl Shop as well (appeared to have some LC experience/connections) and he is not interested either.

Anyone know of a excellent / reputable shop around the south Houston area (even down to the coast is necessary) that would be up for a 3B pull-out and repair/rebuild?

Thanks in advance.

Oh yeah, all the other rigs made it through as well--no flooding.

 

[Mr Cimarron]

Sounds like air in the system to me or maybe one of those engine kill sensors (low oil) is screwy. Did it die at idle or when driving feeding it fuel?

 

[gerg]

Sine you've already done the bulk of the stuff most if us would recommend try removing glow plugs and turn it over to ensure you have oil pressure, then put your plugs back in and remove the EDIC arm and start it. To shut it down you move the lever the EDIC arm is attached to on the pump forward. That puts the pump into stop. The pump defaults to on when no power is applied and the arm is removed. I've had more than one 3B loose prime on the oil pump and it can be a tuff to reprime it. It sounds alot like air but eliminate the low oil pressure sensor and the fact that you might actually have low oil pressure from loosing prime.

Overfilling the crankcase by an gallon or so, removing glow plugs and hand cranking the engine to wet the oil pump gears is a super easy way to reprime. You then drain to normal level and put your plugs back in. Be sure torotate the engine in the right direction mind you.

 

[stevebradford]

was struggling to stay running and then... dead stop and screeching tires.

The screeching tires, was that you braking or did something lock up?

 

[HiQPen]

I wonder if a Hino dealer would be willing to work on these old Toyota diesels?

 

[roscoFJ73]

You seem to have 2 main problems.
1 Low voltage to the starter or a dying starter.
2 You most likely have air in the system

I would leave the "pull out and repair/rebuild" talk until you know for sure that's what it needs.

 

[roma042987]

The screeching tires, was that you braking or did something lock up?

this!

I don't see how it could have lost oil pressure while it was being driven....not going to happen unless im totally missing something. The sluggish starting could be a lot different things. Might have coolant in the cylinder or some other obstruction. Could be a weak battery or bad connections. My 3b is sluggish to turn over too if I don't glow the plugs and my batteries are just fine. You're going to have ALOT of hypothetical replies with the information you've posted.
If the tires locked up as steve asked well, then you probably have your answer. Could have dropped a precup and locked that puppy up. What happened to the coolant level in the reservoir when this happened?

 

[fj803fe]

Regarding screetching, the fact that after a month or so of sitting and then cranking smoothly and starting (although stalling immediately) with new glow plugs I am less inclined to think I dropped a pre-cup. No change in coolant level. This is much more than the slow crank of poor plugs or cold. Speaking with Dajda, the return to slow labored cranking after starting fine could be a stuck open injector filling the cylinder. I am looking to the injectors next.

Thanks for the tips.

 

[bcsteel]

Have you checked your water separator on the frame rail? See if that’s letting air in? Happened to me on a couple of my 45,42’s. annoying but an easy fix and upgrade able.

 

[lowenbrau]

The screeching tires makes me think you have something wrong in the rotating assembly. I've had 3Bs stop like that from taking a swig of water but I can't think of anything else that would allow the rig to start up again. Dropped precups usually sound like a jackhammer for a while. Occasionally a worn oil pump bypass plunger will stick open ( a $5 part BTW ) and you'll lose all the oil pressure but then the EDIC shuts things down before anything bad happens.

Not much help, just my thoughts on the other comments.

 

[roscoFJ73]

Speaking with Dajda, the return to slow labored cranking after starting fine could be a stuck open injector filling the cylinder. I am looking to the injectors next.

This would be a rare occurrence. I'm not even sure a bad injector could leak enough diesel into the combustion chamber to stop an engine turning over.
You could check it by removing the glow plugs and cranking it. If there is an injector thats bad you will see a difference in how it sprays out the glow plug hole.

 

[cruisedeisel]

Screeching tires= dropped pre-cup. X3

 

[cruisedeisel]

Pull your glow plugs and dip a straw in the whole. They should all have the same depth. If one is deeper than the rest. precup has dropped.

 

[advlars]

Also, Amazon sells 15$ boroscopes you can plug into your smartphone. should be able to see down in there to confirm or deny the precup theory

 

[cruisedeisel]

Also, Amazon sells 15$ boroscopes you can plug into your smartphone. should be able to see down in there to confirm or deny the precup theory

This is not a theory. Go buy 15 bucks worth or beer cause your gonna want to take the edge off if you dropped a pre-cup.

 

[fj803fe]

yup, its definitely not the injectors... I think I am in for the beers...

 

[Bluebj42]

Time for up date with pictures!

 

[houstonfj40]

Fj803fe,

I am tagging @HemiAlex, he has a diesel guy here in Houston. Javier is a great guy and shop, but they are not interested in doing any engine rebuilds these days it seems from others I have spoken to. I may be in the mkt for a diesel and will be a big learning cure for me, so hope all works out. I am inside the loop if your close.

Marc

 

[BallVice]

Hello,

To start, no she made it through Harvey just fine, we were blessed. Early in 2017 she started to sputter on the way home from work, just about to home the 3B (turbo-glide turboed in 2012) was struggling to stay running and then... dead stop and screeching tires. Had my wife come the mile or so and tow me home with the 200--it has sat since. I replaced all glows, checked the fuel pressure/delivery, inbline pump, EDIC is fine, had replaced the diaphram about a week ahead of this happening because the RPMs would climb, replaced the prime pump as it was always slowly relieving head in the line to the filter. I tried to turn it over after the glow plugs and prime pump and without much grief she started, but then immediately died. The starter then labored to spin the fly a revolution or two and I did not want to risk anything else.

I just moved to the area and am without the means to pull and work on the engine any longer. I have scoured the region for someone to tear into the engine and rebuild her if needed. I have received a lot of no call backs, I don't want to do it, "What is that engine?, no". Called Gulf Coast Crawl Shop as well (appeared to have some LC experience/connections) and he is not interested either.

Anyone know of a excellent / reputable shop around the south Houston area (even down to the coast is necessary) that would be up for a 3B pull-out and repair/rebuild?

Thanks in advance.

Oh yeah, all the other rigs made it through as well--no flooding.

Have you checked the vacuum lines on the throtle body - sounds EXACTLY like what happened to me a few months back