Cable operated fuel cutoff legal in Aus?

[togril]

Ok, I am sick of my intermittent edic relay, my circuit board etching skills and my repaired edic relay. Despite some great threads here.
Wanted to replace the whole thing with a cable, but no one at mvr or rta can tell me if its legal to do this. (Rego checks, changing states etc)

Any one know?
I live in Darwin N.T but will be moving to Sunshine Coast or possibly further South.

Thnx in advance
Tog.
87 hj60!

 

[AussieHJCruza]

Cable-operated fuel cutoff

I don't see how they can have a problem with it, although knowing the RTA, they'll probably manage to find some reason why it renders the vehicle unroadworthy.

To actually answer the question, I contacted the manager of the vehicle inspection facility at Regency Park here in SA and actually managed to find out the answer to what I asked. Perhaps there is someone like that you could contact near you?
I'll be interested to find out the answer to this. I understand some of the early diesel 40 series cruisers came out with a similar system from the factory, so I can't think of any reason why a 60 series can't have one, but you never know...

 

[togril]

To actually answer the question, I contacted the manager of the vehicle inspection facility at Regency Park here in SA and actually managed to find out the answer to what I asked..

I know, am trying to find out but can't get a concise answer. Out of interest - Was your question regarding this? And did they say it was ok at the time?

I'll keep trying mvr.......
Anyone else ever had a fail for this?

Didnt know about the 40's.

Tog.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

It was actually about driving a ute without a tray - having unenclosed wheels and such.
If you would like me to, I can ask him about a cable-operated fuel cutoff. If SA approves it, it should be alright in most other states - they're pretty tight here!

 

[togril]

It would be great if you could ask, if its easy for you, I would apreciate it.

I'll go to MVR in person tomorrow, and see if I can get any further than today.
Ill post back any answers.

Tog.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

No problem at all. I am actually interested to know this myself - a lot of older trucks and tractors and some boats I've driven use a mechanical fuel cut-off to stop the engine, and a choke on a carburetted petrol engine, although it does something totally different, works on a similar principle.
I have emailed the vehicle standards department. I'll post up any reply when I recieve it!

 

[Spudman]

I had another 60 series when I used to live in Kintore in Northern Territory and I wired up a cable to stop the engine, I actually use another bonnet cable and wired it next to the OEM bonnet release in the cab.

The coppers out there said it was ok, but it is a remote community, I never took the vehicle into Alice Springs before I sold it.

 

[SteveH]

Is there a website where us stateside folks could learn of the vehicle inspection joys that you Australians put up with? I presume there is a list of what you can change (maybe an oil filter ) without requiring inspection..

thanks!

 

[stockhorse]

SteveH, the paper work for one state alone would fill an ocean liner, then the ammandments to those regulations would be require a second ocean liner. Add to that the interpretations of each regulation and ammendment by each department and the third liner would be under sail. to give you a small example here is an exerpt from the ADR's (Australian Design Rules).

http://www.comlaw.gov.au/Details/F2009C00579
and that is only relating to what lights you can fit.

Togril , just buy a second hand one and leave it stock. Cable cut off is legal in Qld if that helps.

 

[togril]

Is there a website where us stateside folks could learn of the vehicle inspection joys that you Australians put up with? I presume there is a list of what you can change (maybe an oil filter ) without requiring inspection..

thanks!

Typical American...thinking for a minute, you would realise that there are many things we can fit. The most common being spark plugs and bumper stickers. The former can be fitted by an auto electrician OR by the owner, (providing the vehicle is then plated for compliance).

I myself have fitted a COLOUR MATCHED cup holder, complete with engineering certificate.....Though the vehicle did subsequently fail rego.

i really don't know where you fellas get the idea that we are an officious country with many regulations. After all It's in our best interest.
Imagine If I had fitted the cup holder to the door trim instead of the much more convenient placement dead centre of the steeering wheel? It could have caused havoc, and I only had to remove this weird balloon thing to bolt it on securely.

 

[togril]

Legal in N.T

OK enough tomfoolery

It IS legal (in N.T at least) to have a cable operated shut down. "As long as it does not accelerate the vehicle".

StockHorse, Would like to leave it stock, but they are v.expensive (to me anyway) and hard to get up here.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

SA requirements...as I thought!!!

Well, as I suspected, in SA, it's not permitted...This is the response that I got from the department of vehicle standards.

"It is a requirement that the engine must automatically switch off once the key is switched to the off position as with a manual cable engine cut off it would be possible to turn the ignition to the lock position and lock the steering with the engine running.

So no it would not be legal to have a cable operated mechanical engine stop "

So, in SA, you can't have a cable-operated mechanical engine stop.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

Is there a website where us stateside folks could learn of the vehicle inspection joys that you Australians put up with? I presume there is a list of what you can change (maybe an oil filter ) without requiring inspection..

thanks!

The links on this page provide some of the nanny-state's regulations, although there are far more.

http://www.sa.gov.au/subject/transp...istration/vehicle+standards+and+modifications

I see many guys in the states purchasing a vehicle and getting plates and rego for a vehicle that would be considered unroadworthy here. Do vehicles over there not need to get an inspection to get registered?

 

[togril]

Well, as I suspected, in SA, it's not permitted...This is the response that I got from the department of vehicle standards.

"It is a requirement that the engine must automatically switch off once the key is switched to the off position as with a manual cable engine cut off it would be possible to turn the ignition to the lock position and lock the steering with the engine running.

So no it would not be legal to have a cable operated mechanical engine stop "

So, in SA, you can't have a cable-operated mechanical engine stop.

Good to know. Thanks for looking into that... Have the soldering iron out atm, replacing a few components on the edic.
I'm going to check QLD and NSW. QLD was great a few years back, they looked at my 1962 Landrover 2a from the office window, asked "does it have a horn?" And offered me a prawn whilst they filled in the paperwork. Now that's customer service.

 

[AussieHJCruza]

Wow, service with a smile!

No worries, I found the answer interesting.
I mean, how many people would turn the ignition off when they were driving (unless they were doing a key-banger or something) - do they think we have absolutely no sense?

 

[togril]

Wow, service with a smile!

No worries, I found the answer interesting.
I mean, how many people would turn the ignition off when they were driving (unless they were doing a key-banger or something) - do they think we have absolutely no sense?[/

 

[togril]

lol. Yes I loved my 2a. Brisbane to sydney at 80kph.
Now I have an 2h hj60. Brisbane to sydney at 90.

My edic relay is working again, for now, new capacitor and cleaned, bridged some tracks then lacquered and lubed it.
But I am still going to get a morse cable.

 

[togril]

BALLS!

Well the intermittent click click click on/off cycle of the edic has indeed been cured.

Took it for a spin, no problem.

But now the bloody thing won't turn off.

And of course, it's intermittent. Maybe a stuck relay. There is no satisfying click from the footwell.

BALLS.

 

[SteveH]

Thanks for posting the link to the blizzard of Australian vehicle regs. Reminds me of what just happened to our health care system here in the states. Carry on!

My state has no vehicle safety inspection and my county (currently) has no emission testing. My '83 GMC pickup has a '71 engine (350 Chevy) and no emission controls (all removed). It's not registered, as I use it for snow plowing. You can modify pretty much anything, in any manner you like - including the horridly unsafe. Many FJ40 get later model brakes/engines/axles without ever being inspected and get along just fine.

 

[togril]

Thanks for posting the link to the blizzard of Australian vehicle regs. Reminds me of what just happened to our health care system here in the states. Carry on!

My state has no vehicle safety inspection and my county (currently) has no emission testing. My '83 GMC pickup has a '71 engine (350 Chevy) and no emission controls (all removed). It's not registered, as I use it for snow plowing. You can modify pretty much anything, in any manner you like - including the horridly unsafe. Many FJ40 get later model brakes/engines/axles without ever being inspected and get along just fine.

Sounds like over here a few years ago.
One thing about owning older vehicles (I have owned a few - both motorcycles and cars) is that the area becomes much greyer.
I have never been tested for emissions, I think due to the age of the vehicles. Also Many people just do not know what they are looking at when the vehicle is beyond a certain age. I haven't the courage to look at that link! It has certainly changed over the relatively few years I have been here. Many of the rules are pointless.
that being said, it's a lot easier out here in the sticks.