Brian William's God complex

[murf]

Got him a 6 month vacation

 

[Otter]

 

[msahr]

Journalism died in 2008.

 

[Living in the Past]

Got him a 6 month vacation

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Just curious if the younger generation get this. The latest version I think of as a chick flic. One of my kids bought the movie as Christmas present for my wife. Don't believe we ever watched it. I'll age myself this comment brings back a Night to Remember with Clifton Webb.

So do you think he will come back after six months? Thru my life there as always been the guy telling tall tails and you know who was. Just not what you expect from a journalist, more like a politician. What was one of his first comments when called on it, he blamed it on foggy memory? Sounds like a politician to me.

 

[re_guderian]

Is there anyone under 50 who actually cares "who" reads the made-up, politically-slanted, agenda-driven news to them anymore? I mean, besides those employed at CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX news? Who actually think that the news colored by someone on "The John Doe Show" is actually worth watching? The icon of the "news anchor" faded decades ago, and these asshats are just holding on. The real tragedy is Jon Stewart leaving the Daily Show, where better, more insightful, and probably more honest news was delivered than all of the sanctimonious, supposedly-real news shows combined. Who me, cynical???

 

[Funner]

I simply can't watch the "News" anymore. I do occasionally watch Fox news just to offset all the rest of the crap that manages to seep into my head through the course of a day. Why the F do I even know who Kim Kardashian is anyway.

 

[Living in the Past]

Is there anyone under 50 who actually cares "who" reads the made-up, politically-slanted, agenda-driven news to them anymore? I mean, besides those employed at CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, and FOX news? Who actually think that the news colored by someone on "The John Doe Show" is actually worth watching? The icon of the "news anchor" faded decades ago, and these asshats are just holding on. The real tragedy is Jon Stewart leaving the Daily Show, where better, more insightful, and probably more honest news was delivered than all of the sanctimonious, supposedly-real news shows combined. Who me, cynical???

I'm clearly over fifty and do watch the major news stations. I do take it with a grain of salt and filter thru it. To me it's better than talk radio and blogs which tend to be bias to one side or the other. At least on the major news station if someone gets caught in a lie it's news worthy. My youngest daughter's last boyfriend was one of these every cop is bad and government should be overthrown. My simple response is what have you got lined to take over after that. Same applies here if there is a better alterative to the major news that isn't biased to one side or the other I haven't found it yet.

 

[re_guderian]

I scavenge news from up to a dozen different sources, including know liberal and conservative sources. I like reading it, and not listening to someone tell it to me, so mostly stick with web sites and skip the video portions. MSNBC and CNN for some left-leaning ones, FOX and CNBC for some conservative ones, even Al Jazeera has decent news, Flipboard, etc. etc. Somewhere in the middle, the truth might be found.

 

[murf]

I simply can't watch the "News" anymore. I do occasionally watch Fox news just to offset all the rest of the crap that manages to seep into my head through the course of a day. Why the F do I even know who Kim Kardashian is anyway.

What? you dont watch TMZ for all your "news" needs?!

 

[DSRTRDR]

CNN is not left-leaning - whatever is left of it (from when it was a reputable news organization): it's annoying

and, the truth is never in the middle - truth has noting to do with the smallest denominator

and, my bet is he is not coming back

 

[Living in the Past]

and, the truth is never in the middle - truth has noting to do with the smallest denominator

and, my bet is he is not coming back

While I agree he is probably never coming back I disagree that the true is never in the middle. While not lying the extreme ends will avoid details that do not agree with there viewpoint. The complete story alot of times is a combination of both sides. Even lying I don't think is impossible to the extreme ends for this reason I avoid them. I listen/read mainstream media mainly because of accountability. From everything I've heard Bryan Williams is guilty of sensationalizing stories not trying to sway opinions to one side or the other. For this he off the air for at least six months if not forever. There are others who tell lies all the time with no accountability. Everybody in mainstream is going to be sure how they report there stories because of what happen to Williams. Everybody else I'm sure it will be business as usual.

 

[BrotherRob]

The sad part is, we live in the information age, we're supposed to be informed. Instead the internet has allowed people to filter their information to fit their own biases and agendas. Instead of being informed, we've more narrow minded and polarized.

I agree, if you want to be informed, look at things from multiple perspectives and form your own opinions.

 

[GBinAZ]

The sad part is, we live in the information age, we're supposed to be informed. Instead the internet has allowed people to filter their information to fit their own biases and agendas. Instead of being informed, we've more narrow minded and polarized.

Prior to the information age the news was being filtered by the three major networks and the major news papers across the country, particularly the NY Times and the Washington Post, according to their agendas. Additionally, the major wire services also filtered the news based on their agendas.

Over the last 35 years the agenda of the old media has become obvious and as people have become aware of the way the news has been slanted they have sought out sources that they believe more accurately present the facts. Some have also sought out new sources of information that reinforce their existing beliefs, others stayed with the old media that already reinforced their beliefs. Human nature is what it is.

I agree, if you want to be informed, look at things from multiple perspectives and form your own opinions.

X 1,000

 

[BrotherRob]

Prior to the information age the news was being filtered by the three major networks and the major news papers across the country, particularly the NY Times and the Washington Post, according to their agendas. Additionally, the major wire services also filtered the news based on their agendas.

Over the last 35 years the agenda of the old media has become obvious and as people have become aware of the way the news has been slanted they have sought out sources that they believe more accurately present the facts. Some have also sought out new sources of information that reinforce their existing beliefs, others stayed with the old media that already reinforced their beliefs. Human nature is what it is.

Although that might be easy to assume, the possibility of some grand conspiracy existing for over 200 years in a country with free speech is far fetched. An individual censoring what he reads, easily done.

 

[GBinAZ]

Although that might be easy to assume, the possibility of some grand conspiracy existing for over 200 years in a country with free speech is far fetched. An individual censoring what he reads, easily done.

It is not a matter of conspiracy, it is a matter of human nature. When you look at the political affinity of the staff of major mainstream news organizations you don't find a great deal of diversity. Its also not a conspiracy that the profession tends to attract idealistic people that want to change the world, or that they posses a similar world view and political inclinations. Its a self selected group by definition. It is far fetched to believe that they are not influenced by their worldview and personal beliefs when they report the news.

 

[DSRTRDR]

so, who's out there not influenced by their worldview and personal beliefs we all are, and so is everybody else - our brains cannot make sense of the world without preformed concepts - we interpret things in relation to what we know or have previously experienced

that doesn't mean people can't be adhering to truth when they report what they saw - which is what is at the bottom of this (nobody cares about Brian Williams political view or personal agenda) - the point is: he made factual claims about what happened to him that have been proven incorrect; he may or may not have made incorrect claims about what he saw in New Orleans, as well - regardless of political orientation, it's the untruthfulness that's his breaking point, nothing else (well, there maybe someone out there who had an axe to grind with him, but that's no longer relevant now that he shot himself in the foot)

granted, there are many other people who bend facts, embellish, exaggerate, obfuscate, slant, etc. - he was just most visible at it

 

[Funner]

CNN is not left-leaning - whatever is left of it (from when it was a reputable news organization): it's annoying

and, the truth is never in the middle - truth has noting to do with the smallest denominator

and, my bet is he is not coming back

CNN is not left-leaning - whatever is left of it (from when it was a reputable news organization): it's annoying

and, the truth is never in the middle - truth has noting to do with the smallest denominator

and, my bet is he is not coming back

While I agree he is probably never coming back I disagree that the true is never in the middle. While not lying the extreme ends will avoid details that do not agree with there viewpoint. The complete story alot of times is a combination of both sides. Even lying I don't think is impossible to the extreme ends for this reason I avoid them. I listen/read mainstream media mainly because of accountability. From everything I've heard Bryan Williams is guilty of sensationalizing stories not trying to sway opinions to one side or the other. For this he off the air for at least six months if not forever. There are others who tell lies all the time with no accountability. Everybody in mainstream is going to be sure how they report there stories because of what happen to Williams. Everybody else I'm sure it will be business as usual.

The sad part is, we live in the information age, we're supposed to be informed. Instead the internet has allowed people to filter their information to fit their own biases and agendas. Instead of being informed, we've more narrow minded and polarized.

I agree, if you want to be informed, look at things from multiple perspectives and form your own opinions.

Prior to the information age the news was being filtered by the three major networks and the major news papers across the country, particularly the NY Times and the Washington Post, according to their agendas. Additionally, the major wire services also filtered the news based on their agendas.

Over the last 35 years the agenda of the old media has become obvious and as people have become aware of the way the news has been slanted they have sought out sources that they believe more accurately present the facts. Some have also sought out new sources of information that reinforce their existing beliefs, others stayed with the old media that already reinforced their beliefs. Human nature is what it is.



X 1,000

Although that might be easy to assume, the possibility of some grand conspiracy existing for over 200 years in a country with free speech is far fetched. An individual censoring what he reads, easily done.

It is not a matter of conspiracy, it is a matter of human nature. When you look at the political affinity of the staff of major mainstream news organizations you don't find a great deal of diversity. Its also not a conspiracy that the profession tends to attract idealistic people that want to change the world, or that they posses a similar world view and political inclinations. Its a self selected group by definition. It is far fetched to believe that they are not influenced by their worldview and personal beliefs when they report the news.

so, who's out there not influenced by their worldview and personal beliefs we all are, and so is everybody else - our brains cannot make sense of the world without preformed concepts - we interpret things in relation to what we know or have previously experienced

that doesn't mean people can't be adhering to truth when they report what they saw - which is what is at the bottom of this (nobody cares about Brian Williams political view or personal agenda) - the point is: he made factual claims about what happened to him that have been proven incorrect; he may or may not have made incorrect claims about what he saw in New Orleans, as well - regardless of political orientation, it's the untruthfulness that's his breaking point, nothing else (well, there maybe someone out there who had an axe to grind with him, but that's no longer relevant now that he shot himself in the foot)

granted, there are many other people who bend facts, embellish, exaggerate, obfuscate, slant, etc. - he was just most visible at it

 

[re_guderian]

so, who's out there not influenced by their worldview and personal beliefs we all are, and so is everybody else - our brains cannot make sense of the world without preformed concepts - we interpret things in relation to what we know or have previously experienced

that doesn't mean people can't be adhering to truth when they report what they saw - which is what is at the bottom of this (nobody cares about Brian Williams political view or personal agenda) - the point is: he made factual claims about what happened to him that have been proven incorrect; he may or may not have made incorrect claims about what he saw in New Orleans, as well - regardless of political orientation, it's the untruthfulness that's his breaking point, nothing else (well, there maybe someone out there who had an axe to grind with him, but that's no longer relevant now that he shot himself in the foot)

granted, there are many other people who bend facts, embellish, exaggerate, obfuscate, slant, etc. - he was just most visible at it

The point is that these people ("news" anchors) pretend to adhere to this pious standard of unbiased news reporting, when in fact, they're just all about achieving newstainment nirvana and advancing their personal brand.

Anderson Cooper 360
The O'Reilly Factor
The Rachel Maddow Show
Sheppard Smith Reporting
All In with Chris Hayes
Early Start with John Berman and Christine Romans
Wolf
Erin Burnett OutFront
The Kelly File
Hannity

The short version...

Society of Professional Journalists - Code of Ethics
"Members of the Society of Professional Journalists believe that public enlightenment is the forerunner of justice and the foundation of democracy. Ethical journalism strives to ensure the free exchange of information that is accurate, fair and thorough. An ethical journalist acts with integrity.

- Seek Truth and Report It
- Minimize Harm
- Act Independently
- Be Accountable and Transparent


The Long Version that you can compare to the listing of shows above, plus most other news shows...

http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

 

[Living in the Past]

Back in the early seventies I worked at the paper mill in Flagstaff. Worked with a great bunch of guys. After work we would go to a bar or someone home and drink beer and debate the world's problems. Debating on the impersonal internet is just not the same. Besides I thought we resolved all the world's problems back then.

 

[Saddletramp]

If you want facts, keep it on the big board. Otherwise move it to chat because the only vision we all have in common is






Television.