Blue Mule small problems

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M5driver

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Now that I have had the Blue Mule running for several weeks, I have a few niggling mechnical issues I need to address. The work will have to wait until the truck is back in the States (Mar-Apr?), but I would like to get some advice here on what I should be looking for when I start to sort these things out. Besides, getting in immediate contact with the Washington DC area Mud/LC groups, of course :)

1. Vibration. I think I have developed a driveline vibration. The vibration starts at around 40mph and gets worse as the speed goes up from there. There is no transition, like often happens with tire balance issues. To eliminate that possibility, I had the tires spin-balanced when I switched to the winter shoes. The vibration persists, but seems slightly less (!) when the front hubs are locked. I have not attempted to have the new rear drums balanced, because this would be a rare problem. It is possible the driveline(s) need to be reassembled 180 degrees from where I have them now, although I assembled them the same way they were before teardown, and this matches the FSM. The front hubs were replaced, I shimmed the front axle 4 degrees to eliminate the bump steering and hunting (works great!), but did not shim the rear axle. Drag link was rebuilt, center arm rebuilt, new tie rod, relay rod with new ends, new TRE for the drag link to center arm, new steering damper; the steering is nice and tight again - almost like new :) I also removed one leaf (#3) from each of the OME springs (2.5" lift) that I put back on. Driveline (or whatever) vibration had not been a problem prior to the rebuild.

2. Slight afterburn/backfire when shifting. I still have a bit of problem with this. Going slightly rich on the idle mix reduced the afterburn from howitzer to hand cannon to pop gun now, but I still get some afterburn when I wrap the engine up a bit before shifting, and an exhaust burble on deceleration in gear. The burble has been around since I swapped the original muffler with a Dynamax, and is not really a problem. The afterburn is worst if I cut the choke completely off before the engine is fully warmed up. Even after reaching operating temp, I can still induce a pop gun effect if I wind the engine hard before shifting. I will need to address this before the mule goes for the breath test - I expect to visit a good tune-up shop, or connect with some 2F tune-up masters in the DC area before taking the mule to smog testing. NB - there are no detectable vacuum leaks (15 inches rock-steady), and no leaks detected around the manifolds or carb base or exhaust flange.

3. Hard hot starts. This problem was reduced considerably when I set the mix a bit richer. The carb cooling fan helps as well. I have it to the point that it is close to what it used to be - crank and touch the accelerator pedal slightly for a good start. If I don't add a bit of fuel (or crack the choke), the start is very hard still. Carb tuning expertise will likely resolve this issue.

4. Paint and seam sealing. Not mechanical, but something still to be done. I can do some of this work myself of course, but will need a bit of touch up, and perhaps some pro help. I'll be looking for recommendations for a good paint shop.

5. Quiet. This is very strange. :rolleyes: Even my :princess: has commented that a 40 is supposed to make noise. As it is now, I seem to have no squeaks, rattles, groans, knocks, etc., even over rough terrain, and the engine is so quiet at the idle, that if I have the windows up and the Zim AC vents closed, I keep thinking the engine dies when it goes to idle. I think this problem - at least the squeaks and rattles part - can be readily resolved with a few really good off road runs :D :lol: which I am looking forward to. But I don't do rock climbs. The mule is a more or less stock daily driver, working truck, especially when the :princess: is hauling garden supplies.

6. Need :steer::steer::steer:. 'nuff said.

:cheers:
 
Any ideas on the vibration thing? Any thing I might be able to check before my tools get packed up :eek: I have about 5 more days to work on it before it goes in a box :frown:

TIA.
 
I had to shim my rear pinion down to get the pinion and the output flange on the TC within 2-3* of one another.
Does it do it when you let off the gas?
How much spline engagement do you have?
You've probably read this......
http://www.4xshaft.com/driveline101.html
GL

Ed
 
I had to shim my rear pinion down to get the pinion and the output flange on the TC within 2-3* of one another.
Does it do it when you let off the gas?
How much spline engagement do you have?
You've probably read this......
Driveline 101
GL

Ed

Ed, thanks. I've been wondering about this. Right now, I don't know for sure it's driveline, but that is what is most suspect, and if driveline, is it rear or front or both? :confused: I figure when I have it back in the US, I can drop the front shaft and see if that resolves the vibration. If so, then I'd have to suspect the 4 degree shims on the front are a little too much, especially since I took one leaf out of each spring. Maybe I need a 2.5 degree shim... I have a second pair of 4 degree shims I could try in the rear, if the angle is off. I don't have a protractor to measure that angle right now, tho. I figure I'll be OK until I get back, since drivng around town here is usually low-speed - under 40 mph.

The vibration comes on just above 40 and increases with speed, but does not seem to be related to acceleration or deceleration. Spline engagement is good.
I have read several similar articles - they all say about the same thing, so for now, I'll just check everything is tight, and when I get the mule back on the other end, I'll get the tools I need to check the angles and see if I need to shim the rear axle. I have never had the problem before, even running the OME springs with all leaves in and no shims, but had a problem with bump steer and hunting after switching to the OMEs (2.5" lift). I could try taking the shims out again, but I think some shimming is a good thing, since I like how it tracks now :D If dropping the front shaft clears up the vibration, I'll know it is likely from the shims and will look for a set of 2.5 or 3 degree shims when we get back to the states. Something to look forward to :rolleyes::D

:cheers:

Dan
 
Dan, after my rebuild and lift, I also have vibration, but only shortly at low speed and maz torque. I suspect rear driveshaft, due to the angle on gearbox side. Have already 6deg shims on rear axle.

My 40 goes to a propshaft specialist hopefully next week, to either lengthen the propshaft and /or fit a double knuckle joint at gearbox side.
 

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