Big Bad Boyz - Hella lights and horns

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Well, I got my Hella order last week and took a few minutes in the weekend to install the Hella Supertone horns. It is a very easy install for those that are looking for a quick (<1hr), simple upgrade using the OEM harness and relay:

- Unbolt the stock horns from their mounting location

- Pull off the positive lead that runs to the first horn (it has a plug attachment on the end and is something like ~18ga wire)

- Pull off the jumper wire (+) that runs from the first horn to the second

- As you will see, the horns are grounded to the frame using the mount, so there is no negative lead

- Cut off the plug from the OEM horn harness you removed above and crimp / solder /...a connector on the end (I will likely go back in the sping and rewire with a heavier ga wire as it is very thin and the wire is actually in fairly poor condition). You should also splice in the second cable that will act as a jumper to the second horn. I used a heavier ga wire so that when I go back I only need to upgrade one wire. crimp on a second connector at the end of the jumper and connect to the second horn. Use whatever method you want, but I used heat shrinkwrap on the connectors.

- Wire to negative leads ~3 feet long with and crimp a connector on two of the ends. Attach these to one of the terminals on each horn

- Run the wires behind the PS light to the body ground point on the inside fender just aft of the PS light (you could also ground to some other point - battery, etc). I ran this inside split loom as there are lots of sharp edges around. I spliced the wires together into a ring connector and attached this to the ground point.

- Bolt the horns back into the stock locations and make sure they are positioned so the hood can still close.


As other have said, they are louder than stock, but the tone is still quite high.

I'm still thinking about where to mount the lights (anyone have pics of the hella 4000s on a stock bumper) - very little clearance.

One thing to note if you order from Susquehanna Motorsports/Rallylights that I feel is not totally above board (this has happened a few times now) (1) if you just order the lights without the harness (like I did) because you are using a Slee harness or your own harness, you will be missing the hella plug that attaches to the light. They must be taking this connection out of the boxes and then just selling the lights. The reason I know this is that a friend had to give me his plugs which came with the lights and the tools. I think they are taking the connections, making harnesses and selling them.

Of greater concern to me is that they are advertising 'Hella' products and then replacing them with some other manufacturer. In my case, I ordered a Hella relay box to put all the relays in. The product came loose in a Hella box, but it's not made by Hella. In my case, it's not feasible to return the product (customs, shipping, trying to get taxes back, etc) - I'm not impressed and will likely try to find some other source.

Cheers, Hugh
 
Hmmm, I hooked up my Hella Super TOnes without having to rewire anything, the stoock horn harness plugs right in, think all I had to do was run a ground wire. I also ran a Relay but it made them no louder than without it, so I ditched it.

the Super Tones are designed to be a peircing noise for freeway trafic, thats why they sound the way they do
 
I only have the stock bumper and am considering putting on some super oscars that I have lying around. I thought making up a small bracket might suffice. Strangly enough I was also thinking of upgrading the horn but did not know what to. It sound as though you are pleased with you choise, may be I will do the same.
 
Anyone got a suggestion for a "I can't believe how freakin loud that thing is" horn?
 
LP - You may be able to just plug in the stock harness (IIRC the plug will not attach to the spade connection on the horm, but maybe the entire plug assembly can be pulled off?). In any case, IMHO the wiring is too light for the job so I at least replaced everything downstream of the main power connection and will do that when it warms up.

I'm not sure what the OEMs are rated for, but these are 144W ~= 12 amps (144w/12v). The current ga wire is 18ga which would be an absolute minimum, but 16ga is a better choice.

MoJ - the horn is louder - something like 7x given how the scale for Db works. It's just not a deep bass.

Cheers, Hugh
 
CDN_Cruiser said:
One thing to note if you order from Susquehanna Motorsports/Rallylights that I feel is not totally above board (this has happened a few times now) (1) if you just order the lights without the harness (like I did) because you are using a Slee harness or your own harness, you will be missing the hella plug that attaches to the light. They must be taking this connection out of the boxes and then just selling the lights. The reason I know this is that a friend had to give me his plugs which came with the lights and the tools. I think they are taking the connections, making harnesses and selling them.

Cheers, Hugh

I've installed many of the 4000 lights, they all had the little plugs with them.... strange that they would remove them.
 
MoJ said:
Anyone got a suggestion for a "I can't believe how freakin loud that thing is" horn?

I've used junkyard special dual Cadillac horns on my little Datsun. Small car... big horn. You can even wire the horns in additions to your OEM ones for a different sound.

If you want to go bigger, a friend of mine bought a real train air horn at a garage sale, hooked it up to an air compressor and it was freakin' loud!!! The thing was pretty big though. It would look ridiculous mounted on your hood.

Here's a few train horn Sound clips.
 
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along the lines of the caddy horn, the horn from some of the lexus models are deeper in tone than the 80 series horn. One that I think sounds pretty good is the one from the RX300 -- I was thinking of getting one the next time I'm at the bone yard and hooking it up. I would think (hope) that the installation should be almost plug-n-play for this swap (Toyota to Toyota)...
 
MoJ said:
Anyone got a suggestion for a "I can't believe how freakin loud that thing is" horn?

http://www.wolo-mfg.com/air.htm


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ROOF MOUNT CHROME DUAL TRUMPET
115 Decibels 400/440Hz




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HEAR A SAMPLE OF THE POWERHOUSE
Sound file is to demonstrate horn's sound not loudness

PRICE $89.99


I put these on my old Tacoma (know for the Road Runner Meep Meep horns) and I watched them make a few people jump. I can't wait to get them for my new FZJ80.
 
hoser said:
If you want to go bigger, a friend of mine bought a real train air horn at a garage sale, hooked it up to an air compressor and it was freakin' loud!!! The thing was pretty big though. It would look ridiculous mounted on your hood.

Here's a few train horn Sound clips.

Make mine a Nathan M5. I bet it would fit in place of the spare -but would be too loud in the truck
:)
 
BTW, I mounted them under the hood. On the Tacoma I mounted them to the back of the radiator/fan guard facing down. In the FZJ80 compartment there are a ton of places to mount them. Don't NEED to mount them too the hood. But they would be louder up there.
 
Mudshack said:
http://www.wolo-mfg.com/air.htm


MODEL 418 POWERHOUSE

ROOF MOUNT CHROME DUAL TRUMPET
115 Decibels 400/440Hz

PRICE $89.99

I put these on my old Tacoma (know for the Road Runner Meep Meep horns) and I watched them make a few people jump. I can't wait to get them for my new FZJ80.

Just a FYI - the Hellas are louder than this 118 db vs 115 db. This may not seem like much, but the Hellas would be 2X as loud as this horn (118 db - 115 db = 3 db and, because of the logarithmic scale, a 3 point change = 2x loudness). They are likely similar in sound (300Hz and 500Hz vs 400/440) and the Hella's are cheaper ~$60!

The Hella is rated as something like 7X louder than the OEM horn (assuming it's ~ 97 db)

I'll try and take a pic tonight and post.

Cheers, Hugh
 
One more thing....

The Hella Fog lights are actually branded as 'Luminator' not Rallye 4000s (zero menion of Rallye 4000 on the box) - while the US web site still shows the 4000s, the Hella.com site no longer has Rallye 4000s (only 1000 and 3000). I guess they are doing a name change. Still the same light - big, all metal, solid mounting point, etc.

So, I'm not sure if these are US or grey market.....

Cheers, Hugh
 
Ah, but it is the dual tone of the lower trumpet that makes people think you are a tractor trailer. I agree. The Hellas are louder. But I didn't want to go with the higher pitched sound. So I went with the lower tones. Still many times louder than stock.
 
I went with Fiam 135dB low tones for $25 a pair from Kragens; no wiring modifications needed. Much louder than stocks and better suited than the higher tones for the cruiser IMHO.
 
CDN_Cruiser said:
Just a FYI - the Hellas are louder than this 118 db vs 115 db. This may not seem like much, but the Hellas would be 2X as loud as this horn (118 db - 115 db = 3 db and, because of the logarithmic scale, a 3 point change = 2x loudness).

Hugh, a 10 decibel increase is twice as loud, not +3 decibels. A 3db increase will be a make an audible difference but by no means twice as loud.

Like with stereo amplifiers, a 200 watt amplifier will give you a 3db increase over a 100 watt amp. But to be twice as loud (10db greater), you'll need a 1,000 watt amp.
 
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What horns were they that I think I remember Jesse James using in a monster garage episode? :confused: The one where he made a dodge station wagon into a train engine. All I recall was they were compact and sounded like a real damn train :idea: . F-ing A they were loud :eek: . This is my wife's only gripe about our 80 is that it has a byatch ass horn. Could definately get the money for this mod. :bounce: :bounce:

Which way to go... :flipoff2:
 
hoser said:
Hugh, a 10 decibel increase is twice as loud, not +3 decibels. A 3db increase will be a make an audible difference but by no means twice as loud.

Like with stereo amplifiers, a 200 watt amplifier will give you a 3db increase over a 100 watt amp. But to be twice as loud (10db greater), you'll need a 1,000 watt amp.

Good point - it's a doubling of output, but not 'loudness' - correct?
 

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