I agree on the hydroplanning thru deep puddles...maybe that's the Toyo's achilles heal. However, everything else has been great.
BFG AT's last a long time
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I agree on the hydroplanning thru deep puddles...maybe that's the Toyo's achilles heal. However, everything else has been great.
Too tired defending BFG's
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?p=2713016#post2713016
I like the "silver bullet" saying though, and the fact that every person has had a different experience with the same (any) tire.
Oh, wait I'm a qualified tire commentator!!!
https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?p=2713016#post2713016
I like the "silver bullet" saying though, and the fact that every person has had a different experience with the same (any) tire.
Oh, wait I'm a qualified tire commentator!!!
To those who've ridden on both- how do the Toyos compare to the Revos in the 285 size (ATs)? I like the Revos, but feel they may not be as strong as the BFGs on the rocks. Do the Toyos fit the bill?
I didn't see any hydroplaning in deep puddles. Actually the truck pulled very hard to that side when I hit a deep puddle.
Very True...I was WRONG, they do exactly as you say. It still freaks me out a bit when it pulls so hard into the puddle...but I guess that's good?
I have had a set of 315 Nitto Terra-Grapplers for about 18 months. IMO they are a much better tire than the BFG ATs for most uses. They are very resistant to hydroplaning and do very well in snow. Since they share the same manufacturing process as Toyos, balancing is not a problem. They are at least the equivalent of the BFG off-road as well, maybe a little better.
Their only weakness may be the 2-ply sidewall, which (for a given pressure) seems much softer than a BFG. So far though, I have not seen any damage, so they may be tougher than they appear. I don't think that they will last as long as a BFG. My best estimate after about 5k mi, is 30-40k mi (assuming replacement at 5/32).
Their only weakness may be the 2-ply sidewall, which (for a given pressure) seems much softer than a BFG. So far though, I have not seen any damage, so they may be tougher than they appear. I don't think that they will last as long as a BFG. My best estimate after about 5k mi, is 30-40k mi (assuming replacement at 5/32).
I didn't expect it either but it was easily corrected. The truck never felt like it was out of control one bit. I'm anxious to see how they handle in snow. This is a very tough size as the choices are so limited.
NaterGator
On Gilligan's Island
Living in Florida the Revos win hands down for the wet stuff. There is no decent AT tire like them. You can feel them riding through water rather than over it as the tug others in this thread are describing. I've never once hydroplaned on my Revos and they've seen the worst storms I've been in. Had a set of Michelin LTXs that lasted forever but hydroplaned twice in very moderate conditions.
do the revos come in 315/75R16s
My bad, I was not driving. I did feel the pull on the truck during the ride.
Great tires, hope your new BFG AT's last as long as the old ones.
Here's how the tires discussed above are rated by consumerreports.org from 1st to 4th place with their score out of 100:
Nitto Terra Grappler AT 80.
Bridgestone Dueler APT III 74.
Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo 73.
Toyo Open Country A/T 72.
The BFG A/T was not chosen to be rated.
The reason I have researched this is that my BFGs have almost 50k on them, 45% of their tread left and they suck in the rain and snow. Time to replace, and I wouldn't have considered the Nitto until I read that article. The Bridgestone I have no experience with, other than testimony here, and I have run the Toyo's on work trucks lots and really like them. You probably can't go wrong with any of them. In regards to hydroplaning, ala Landtank, get a skinnier tire. I have run 285's, 315's, 265's and 255/85 on various work trucks, and the skinnier the better, always.
Nitto Terra Grappler AT 80.
Bridgestone Dueler APT III 74.
Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo 73.
Toyo Open Country A/T 72.
The BFG A/T was not chosen to be rated.
The reason I have researched this is that my BFGs have almost 50k on them, 45% of their tread left and they suck in the rain and snow. Time to replace, and I wouldn't have considered the Nitto until I read that article. The Bridgestone I have no experience with, other than testimony here, and I have run the Toyo's on work trucks lots and really like them. You probably can't go wrong with any of them. In regards to hydroplaning, ala Landtank, get a skinnier tire. I have run 285's, 315's, 265's and 255/85 on various work trucks, and the skinnier the better, always.
I don't feel I was hydroplaning to any significant degree and feel this tire works very well on wet roads and have no intention on going with a skinnier tire.
I agree, I probably have 200,000 miles on various Open Country AT's, and I only had hydroplaning problems with the last 5-10k of tread life. (And here in Oregon, we really, really, understand hydroplaning) I just personally like a skinnier tire better for the winter.
One thing to note about Oregon roads, is they are built much more consistently and drained much better than roads in many other areas. I was shocked when I moved back to California from OR at how crappy the drainage was and how they use some pavement types and finish that are as slick as snot in the rain.
I had some 30/9.50x15's BFG AT's and I'll go as far as to say they saved my life in a hydro situation,
I'm working on a theory that narrow BFG's AT's are less apt to hydro and don't think they deserve to be categorized by the fat tire crowd...
I plan on 33/10.50x15's MT's or 34/10.50x15 LTB's on most of my stuff
I'm working on a theory that narrow BFG's AT's are less apt to hydro and don't think they deserve to be categorized by the fat tire crowd...
I plan on 33/10.50x15's MT's or 34/10.50x15 LTB's on most of my stuff
+1. I love my Revos in the rain.
I live off a 2-lane state highway which is traveled daily by tractor trailers full of oranges. The trucks are loaded on their way to the Tropicana plant (westbound) and empty on the way back. This results in ruts in the westbound lane that fill up during a heavy rain. I'm talking 1-3" of water for miles. The Revos handle this just fine at 60mph, and have never even hinted at hydroplaning. For a daily highway tire, especially living in FL.. they get my vote.
Just my $.02.
Yep. Here in the PNW roads have to be built to drain well, or they won't last 3 weeks. I've been building them for 20 years, so I have a reasonably firm grasp of how that works. We still have a lot of rutting on the Interstates and local roads that "allows" one to test the capabilities of our tires. Wide BFG A/T's that don't have channels in the tread to dissipate water, well, at least on my rig, they suck. In California, the roads suck in the rain, but how much does it rain? It must not rain much, because all the bad drivers from California that have moved up here tailgate me in the rain. Every October 15th, there's a one month learning curve for all the new out -of -state drivers where pileups happen every day from doing just that. Rant over.
I ran 33x10.5's for several years - they still were still a mediocre tire in bad weather including snow.
These aren't awful tires. However, it shouldn't be too difficult to see that the BFG AT ko still has the interlocking tread design heritage of the original BFG AT that was designed on the concept of tread stability, which is something that modern designs are achieving without overly involving the tread itself.
The practical output is that the BFG AT does not have good channeling from the inner tread to outer, it has mimimal directional siping, and is ultimately a tire that is a "baby MT" without improving materially on a modern MT's road performance but lacking that modern MT's other significant capability advantages.
When you go the other way, the BFG AT lacks the advantage of the modern AT's tread design and falls behind on more of a "road bias" usage.
While 7 or 8 years ago, you could make the argument that the BFG AT ko occupied this very desirable center space between the truly offroad biased MT and the truly onroad biased AT, that is not the case today. The space that the BFG AT occupies that no other tire can cover has disappeared entirely (you don't need a mediocre jack of all trades/king of none tire in today's market). There are MT's that cover everything the BFG AT does beyond the title of this thread (tread life) plus a ton of other capability, and there are ATs that cover everything the BFG AT's does plus a ton of other capability including delivering good tread life.
So when you hear from people like me that BFG AT's "suck", that is not really the case. I would better say "they are limited in any unique feature and therefore a poor value proposition". They are a very expensive tire for the very narrow range of unique benefits you can now describe in 2007. Outside of "they last forever", which has not been my personal experience at all (I could get 40K useful miles out of these tires), what exactly is the advantage of the BFG AT? Don't tell me it is a 3 ply sidewall and that makes it stronger than 2 thicker sidewalls, I've put my two ply trxus MT's through crap that regularly blows BFG AT's.
Of course, our thread author only said he gets a lot of miles, and I only said "yep, they suck for a long time"
