Best 4runner year?

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Kevin, I had 2 40's, a 60, an 85 xtra cab mini, a 90 4Runner and now an 80. Couple of good friends have the 1st gen 4Runner too (85 & 86) that I get to drive a bit. I also went through the process of being a single guy that wheeled the crap out of stuff till it broke to a semi-responsible husband and father that has to use his vehicle for groceries, vactations, work, school bus, etc. So from experience, here's my impressions:

1) the first gen 4Runners look really cool. The removable top is a very cool feature and the can-back tops are awesome at least in the southwest. The ride of both the solid axle and ifs are very truck like, especially if you update/upgrade the suspension. Both of the ones I am familiar with had the saggy but problem and got mild 2-3 inch spring lifts and new shocks. It made them look 100% better but made the a bit hoppy unless really loaded down. The biggest complaint I hear about them is the two doors. It gets old reaching through to get to the back seat, etc. Also, the lack of sophistication gets to my friends a bit - no airbags, no creature comforts, etc. But they are light weight, have a great 5-spd tranny with the 22 RE 4-cylinder and can really go while still getting nearly 20 mpg typically. Parts and mods are really available too.

2) I had a second gen 4Runner that I evenually built up to the point of running 33 mt's and really liked it. The rear coil suspension is great. Nice ride, nice articulation. Mine had the 3.0 motor. My mother had a 1991 with the 3.0 at the same time. Both our headgaskets went out like clock work around 100K miles even with very good maintenance and no overheating. Both were replaced under Toyota's warranty program and by 140K miles both started showing signs of the headgasket going again. It's too bad as these are nice trucks and I do like the styling better than the 3rd gen ones. Personally I'd try and find one that is a candidate for the newer (95.5 & up) 3.4 v-6 swap. I've seen these and they are very cool. The 1990 & 1991 had the option for the oem tire carrier and the 1990 one I had was outfitted with no elec door/windows, etc crap to break. Adding the 3.4 motor and a sas on that and it would be hard to beat.

3) Can't say anything about the 3rd or 4th gen 4Runners but the newest ones with the v8 are fast and look very comfortable.

4) The 60/62 is, in my opinion, the best looking SUV out there except for maybe a D-110. They are so solid and dependable. I had a 60 and un-wisely started modifying the motor - MAF hi-po 2F, Weber 38/38 carb, DUI ignition, headers, all emissions stuff pulled, etc. When it ran right it would make you grin but keeping a carb dialed in while living in CO was too much for me to take. As for the 62, the 3FE is like the 2F - a great motor but on todays highways just underpowered. I'd personally look for a 60/62 that has a nice tbi 350 in it. I've ridden in one in Co Spgs and it was a hoot. That mated to a 5-spd (151F or NV4500) is great.

5) Best for last I suppose. I ended up getting a 1997 80-series after living in CO and seeing several nice ones mildly built on trail runs. From 1995-97 you get a pretty updated, sophisticated vehicle with front drivers and pass airbags, obd-II ecu, and all the other crap you can read about on the FAQ on the 80's section. These are not that cheap to operate - they do not get great gas mileage and are all wheel drive all the time. Parts can be expensive. But if you go test drive one, or better yet go drive one that is mildly modified with a OME lift, you will not be dissappointed. I have driven mine from Philly to LA pulling 3-4 hour stretches at 80+ mph fully loaded, stopping in WV, the San Juans, Moab and DV on the way and able to do pretty much whatever my tires would allow me.

Hope this helps as I am familiar with the difficulties of trying to find just the right mix of characteristics in a vehicle to meet your needs/wants.

Good luck.
 
I had a lifted '90 3.slow auto Runner, loved it, good DD and light trail unit. Bought it with 100K miles, it had the head gasket done at the dealer at 90K. At 140K it burned #6 exhaust valve, I pulled the heads and had them rebuilt at a local Toyota independent machine shop, installed them with their "recommended head gasket fix" aftermarket gasket set, at 160K it blew the left head gasket, so I got to do it again with a $400 dealer set. Also had the rear window won't roll down issue, several sets of front brakes and a rear wheel bearing. Sold it with 195K, still in good shape overall.

Overall a nice truck, but slow and poor gas mileage, my '97 80 series gets slightly better mileage! The 3rd and 4th gens are more reliable and efficient, but for that kind of money you can get an 80 series, IMHO a much more substantial truck.

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AspenFJ40 said:
What are the opinions out there on the 3.0 engine? Are they really as bad as everyone seems to say? I know about the HG problem, but will I be sorry to give up my 77 2F for a V6 3.0???

I like the 1gen, 2gen body styling as well - but what about the engine performance!?!?!

Thanks again!! :D
Kevin
77 FJ40 2F

No, you will not be sorry to give up a 2F for the 3.0. It's slow off the gates, but- what the hell?- it's a truck! It'll seem like driving a caddy compared to an FJ-40. Gas Mileage should be around 18 or so-not bad compared to a cruiser. Go auto and V-6 for your fiance's sake.
 
No, you will not be sorry to give up a 2F for the 3.0. It's slow off the gates, but- what the hell?- it's a truck! It'll seem like driving a caddy compared to an FJ-40. Gas Mileage should be around 18 or so-not bad compared to a cruiser. Go auto and V-6 for your fiance's sake.

Mine got 12-14 MPG.
 
My 2 door 2nd gen (hilux surf) in mortal danger...

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two of my favorites are the 2 dr 2nd Gen like JimL's and the original Pathfinder. Good friend had one and I think I liked it more than he did! Engine finally blew at 250,000 miles b/c of neglect otherwise it would probably still be going. He has a Taco now.
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Isuzu V Cross is the only 2 dr suv I can think of right now.. but do they even make it anymore?
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AspenFJ40 said:
Hi guys,

I'm thinking about adding a 4runner to the collection - most likely a DD, but with occasional offroad ventures.

In your opinion, what is the best 4runner year and why? Also, is there a way to tell the difference in years? (or maybe, more specifically, a site that lists the years with the differences?)

Thanks!

Kevin
77 FJ40 2F and....???

The first gen runner is a favorite of mine. IMO it is best described as sitting between an FJ40 and the FJ80. Enough of the modern goodies to keep one comfy, power options, EFI, etc. Enough open air with the top off to really enjoy it all. 86 and 87 saw the turbocharged 22RTE, with a 5 speed swapped in and a couple of mods, good mileage and decent power are there...
 
Depending on your budget I would say try for a 3rd (96-2002) or 4th Gen 4Runner (2003+). On the 3rd Gen the 99-00 ones seem to be the best, updated lights, etc. The 3rd Gen has coil-over front suspension and 3.4 V6, whihc gives you a better ride way more power than the 3.0 or 1st gens and better gas mileage to boot. Also the guys on YT report that the 3rd Gen IFS holds up better to abuse than the 2nd Gen. 4th Gen is probably too pricey. The 01-02 3rd Gens was lowered by an inch I believe and also lost the optional rear locker and got the first Gen ATRAC on the 4R, which didn't get good ratings.

All in all for DD and trail use I would say that a 99-00 3rd Gen would do much better that either a 2nd or 1st gen. Better ride, power and mileage. Only thing is if it falls within your budget you want to spend.

Obviously if you want to spring for a 4th Gen your fiance would love you so much more :D
 
Clownmidget suggested (along with some others) that I look at the 80 series Cruiser as well.

I see that there is a 92 80 series for sale near me for around $7000. I know in 93 the engine went to 4.5L I think(92 have 3FE?). Anyway, in general is this something to compare to the 4runner as far as fuel efficiency, off road handling, ease of use, etc.??? My fiance made the comment while driving a friend's 4runner (1998), "hey, this feels like a car!" I cringed slightly, but not enough for her to notice! I know I'm going to have seperation pains when(if) I sell the FJ40. The 80 is interesting since it's a Cruiser, but...well, it has that "mall utility vehicle" look about it...I dunno.

But tell me, o' wise and helpful members of mud board, how does the 80 compare to the 4runner?

Many thanks (once again!)
Kevin
 
AspenFJ40 said:
Clownmidget suggested (along with some others) that I look at the 80 series Cruiser as well.

I see that there is a 92 80 series for sale near me for around $7000. I know in 93 the engine went to 4.5L I think(92 have 3FE?). Anyway, in general is this something to compare to the 4runner as far as fuel efficiency, off road handling, ease of use, etc.??? My fiance made the comment while driving a friend's 4runner (1998), "hey, this feels like a car!" I cringed slightly, but not enough for her to notice! I know I'm going to have seperation pains when(if) I sell the FJ40. The 80 is interesting since it's a Cruiser, but...well, it has that "mall utility vehicle" look about it...I dunno.

But tell me, o' wise and helpful members of mud board, how does the 80 compare to the 4runner?

Many thanks (once again!)
Kevin

There are trade off's between the 2.
I wouldn't bother with a 91/92. 3FE motor, weak brakes. Most of it is personal opinion.

93+ got the 1FZ and better brakes, as well as lockers as an option.
All 80 series have solid front axles, and coil suspensions.
All have an automatic transmission
All get poor gas mileage

4Runner's came with 22R(T)(E), 2RZ, 3RZ (4 cyl's) 3VZ and 5VZ (V6) motors (now the 2UZ V8 and the 4.0 V6).

4Runners came with either a 5 speed manual or an Automatic transmission.

Lockers were an option on the later 4Runners (3rd gen).

4Runners were IFS, so ride a little nicer than the 80 series.
Also, most 4Runners (especially the 3RZ powered 4Runners) get pretty decent gas milage.

FWIW, I would probably get a 3rd gen 4Runner with an AT and a rear locker.
 
80 compared to which 4Runner?

COmpared to my 4th Gen 4Runner (V8) it is very slow, handles like a very heavy truck and uses a lot fo gas on road. Interior space for the first 2 rows feels smaller in terms of leg and hip/ shoulder room. First row head room is slightly better on the 80 but lower in the rear. Cargo is bigger by a bit though. Offroad the 80 is more competent if it has lockers, put an OME on the 4Runner and it can hold its own offroad (but you can't build it up to the level of the 80).

The 3rd Gen 4R is smaller than the 80 inside, but still faster, handles better and btter gas mileage. Not as a big a difference as with the 4th Gen 4R. Offroad the 3rg Gen does well if it has a rear locker and OME on.

Dunno about 1st and 2nd Gen. Would probably take the 80 over them for onroad. I assume the 4.5 80 though.

What price range are you looking at though? The ideal might be an older 100 ($$$$)
 
I'm looking for a rig that is in good condition, not a beater, but I don't have to have the latest power gadgetry. The main thing is the auto tranny for my girl, and other than that...it would be nice to have a bit a good gas mileage if possible.

My price range is $5-8k so I think most 3rd gen is out of my price range without having 200k miles.

Does that give you a better picture?
Thanks,
Kevin
 
Kevin,

You should be able to find an very clean low mileage 86+ 1st generation with the 22re in that price range. Look real hard and you may find one.

2nd gen will also fit the bill.

The best advice I have heard is to buy the nicest low mileage vehicle you can afford and go from there.
 
Closing in on a rig!! Dilemma...

Ok, well, after a lot of scouring internet pages and newspaper pages (and getting advice on boards like this! :D ) I'm getting close to getting a truck...BUT I still need help deciding. So...let me know your opinions:

candidate #1) 97 4runner 160k miles, rear locker, timing belt replaced, leather, overall great condition - asking $8000 but seems willing to negotiate as he wants to sell it soon!

candidate #2) 93 Land Cruiser - also 160k miles, factory lockers front and rear, also great condition, leather, etc. - $7000

The Cruiser is slightly further away from me (read airplane expense) so I figure they come out about the same.

Opinions on which would be a better buy? I know, it's probably up to me..but are there opinions on which is better offroad, longer lasting, better for gas (HA!)...you get the idea...all opinions valued!!!

TIA :beer:
Kevin
 
In terms of Longevity, I would give the LC a slight edge, I think. Just because they are so overbuilt. Fuel mileage would probably go to the 4Runner (but probably not by a lot) assuming both in stock trim. The LC would be a better platform to build on for serious off-roading. Also, I think that the LC would probably depreciate less than the 4Runner. The 80 also can seat 2 more people and has more room than a 3rd gen 4Runner.

Having owned a 2nd gen 4Runner, I would agree that they do drive somewhat more like a car (due to the IFS), but I prefer the feel of an 80 (especially with OME suspension), because it is a truck and it feels like one.

Bob
 
A 4runner is a great vehicle. I'm amazed at what the IFS can do. The 22re is an awesome motor. That thing just keeps running, no matter what shape it's in. I got 240k on the truck. Friend Brian has over 350k. Still runs great. But the straight six is another great Toyota motor. Think it's gonna come down to personal preferance.......
 
Ok, I'll counter the popualer vote :D

Offroad the 80 will have a definite advantage.

Onroad the 4Runner will be better again. It will use quite a bit less gas, handle better, serve better as a DD, it will also be quicker if it is the v6. 1500-1700 lbs extra and a SA upfront counts against you onroad.

The 80 will be bigger and more comfy inside.

Depending on how they were maintained is more important in how long they will last. They both have high mileage, but the 80 is 4 years older. The 80 is more solidly build than the 4R, but requires more maintenance than the 4R. How long they last will really depend on how well they were maintained before you got them. One thing to also keep in mind here is that the 4R will be less expensive to maintain with cheaper parts and also parts that are more readily availible. As an example you can swap out both front CV shafts with CVs for a fraction of the price the 80 front end would cost to rebuild. See http://www.yotatech.com/showthread.php?t=63751&highlight=CV+price

Sometimes there is an advantage in driving something that is mass produced compared to the 80. :grinpimp:

Oh last one, the 80 is way cooler.
 

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