auto in troopy to close "soccer mom car" pitch?

[erics]

auto tranny in troopy

So the wife stuns me today when she doesn't throw food at me when i raise the possibility to fixing up the Troopy "nice" to be her haul-the-kids-around-town vehicle... a nod on this would allow me to put some shiny coin into the truck vs. flipping her into the next "normal" $25k+++ vehicle.

I needed to agree to putting an auto tranny in it to close the deal, what tranny would you recommend and why? Considerations/issues with the install and use?

The truck is a '79 LHD gas model fj45 troopy with a 2F (which would stay) and an H41. It would become a pure mall cruiser with an occasional 2-4 hour weekend highway trip.

Any thoughts? I don't think I'e ever heard/seen discussion on Mud of an auto in a Troopy before...

 

[Living in the Past]

A A440F out of an FJ62 would be the easiest fit. The Adapter plate used in FJ62 with bolt to the back of a 2F. Not sure where the fuel tank is in your 79 troopy but in a 79 and later FJ40 it's right behind the tranfer case making harder to put in anything longer

 

[erics]

auto tranny in troopy

yes, the fuel tank is a std late model one like on a 79 and later 40

if necessary, in the scope of this potential project I could replace that with a custom/aux tank hung farther rearward... are you saying that would be necessary gien the length of an fj62 auto tranny?

thanks

 

[Living in the Past]

Both the transmission and transfer case longer then what you have now. Check the clearance you have now. If I remember correctly there's not alot of room between the fuel tank and transfer case. Plus you would be losing the hand brake. There is a kit to add a hand brake to the back of the split transfer case. Toyota used the hand brake on the split case in other markets around the world so the parts are available.

 

[bkfj40]

teach your wife to drive a stick then you can take the other 100 hours that you were going to spend doing the tranny swap and spend with the family


bk

 

[erics]

thanks guys... anyone else?

Does everyone agree that the A440F would be the way to go based on it being toyota and basically bolt on or a 2 (other than length considerations: fuel tank / croos member intererence, drive shaft length changes - all issues I suspect would come into play with any auto tranny)?

Is no one going to sing praises of an alternative auto to go behind the 2F??

btw, thanks bkj40 or the suggestion regarding teaching my wife to drive a stick shift... she knows how, just prefers not to. An auto would seem to e a small price to pay for the excuse to put some $ into the troopy.

thanks

 

[erics]

btw - I read in another thread that the A440F is 36" and the adapter plate that hangs it on the 3F is 1" for a distace of 37" from rear of the 3F to back of the A440F tranny.

Does anyone know off hand what the length of an fj40 bellhousing plus h42 (to it's t/c mouting surface) is??

the difference would be the amount of extra space i'd need in front of the cross member and/or gas tank right?

thanks

 

[cruiser_guy]

It's good you live in Iowa because that's not going to be a very fast vehicle up any hills!

 

[erics]

It's good you live in Iowa because that's not going to be a very fast vehicle up any hills!

do you say that based on a troopie having similar weight characteristics to an fj62 and therefore expecting similar weak performance? And/or the auto "eating up" some power over a manual?

I'm generally satisfied with the troopy's performance now... it is on 33's with a desmogged 2F and will run down the road 75 mph no problem (albeit flat-ish country). Would adding the auto change performance that much just in itself??

 

[cruiser_guy]

do you say that based on a troopie having similar weight characteristics to an fj62 and therefore expecting similar weak performance? And/or the auto "eating up" some power over a manual?

Both!

 

[malcb]

From what I have read a 2F with an A440F should be better than a 3F perhaps like a 3FE?

No direct experience, just thinking about what I have read.

 

[alkarich]

How about swapping the entire FJ62 drivetrain in? So fuel injection and the auto.

I miss my old 62. Not terribly fast but fast enough. The fuel injected motor was nice in the middle of winter.

 

[erics]

How about swapping the entire FJ62 drivetrain in? .

EFI on 3FE would be nice but mean more work for the wiring/computer conections... if I went beyond just a auto tranny I'd have to consider a later fj80 engine, small block 350, or even a turbo H diesel. Might be worth it though because it would be all for my honey (at least until she goes to the next vehicle and I got the troopy back

I'm still wondering how much of a degradation I would see/feel simply by going from the H41 to an A440F... same engine, same vehicle weight, same t/c gearing (not that I'm worried about low), etc. Can't be THAT big a difference in seat of the pants power can it?? Anyone with direct experience going from an H4x to an A440F with the same engine??

 

[alkarich]

I can't imagine there would be much difference between the two trannys.

On a side note where di you pick up your troopy?

 

[erics]

On a side note where di you pick up your troopy?

got it from 1tontoy in CO along with some other stuff...

I understand it originally came in from Saudi Arabia (though I found a buch of UAE coins when cleaing it up) via SOR and went to Missipboy before 1tontoy

https://forum.ih8mud.com/fj45-owners-club/115990-soa-troopy.html

no, it does not still have the horns or SOA with 35's... currently topless and hiberating until spring.

thanks

 

[erics]

btw - I read in another thread that the A440F is 36" and the adapter plate that hangs it on the 3F is 1" for a distace of 37" from rear of the 3F to back of the A440F tranny.

Does anyone know off hand what the length of an fj40 bellhousing plus h42 (to it's t/c mouting surface) is??

the difference would be the amount of extra space i'd need in front of the cross member and/or gas tank right?

thanks

for those playing along at home, I just measured a H42 at about 12 inches from front to rear mounting surfaces. Also measured a 2F bellhousing to be right at 7.5 inches from front to back planes.

If I'm thiking about this right ad the info on an A440F I read elsewhere (see above) is correct, that means the tcase would move about 17.5 inches rearward when swapping an A440F in for an H42. Wow...

as it sits now, there's only a couple few inches of clearance here and there between the H42/parking brake drum and the middle frame crossmember / gas tank. Both those thigs would probably have to move rearward about the entire 17.5 inches. Troopy has plenty of space to do it but it's just surprising to realize how far it would have to go.

there's no way in hell you could do this on a 40, even with flipped rear springs... isn't the operating length of the std rear driveshaft something like 22 inches?

brings me back to my original question... is there another auto tranny that might be a good candidate (based on this discussions, shorter)?

thanks

 

[Hilux]

teach your wife to drive a stick then you can take the other 100 hours that you were going to spend doing the tranny swap and spend with the family


bk

Amen. Most times a woman is thinking of a manual transmission, she's letting her mind talk her out of it, not practical experience.



Ask a woman (they are few) that's learned. They LOVE them.

Don't get me wrong though, it'd be like driving a Pete and having to use the clutch, in a 45

Other than that, Jeez-US, how the hell do we do it? Poor us, having to shift gears all the time

From what I have read a 2F with an A440F should be better than a 3F perhaps like a 3FE?

No direct experience, just thinking about what I have read.

The only difference I know of between a 2f and 3f is stroke and EFI.

IME, EFI motors last longer, and have better cylinder walls than carb motors tore down at the same mileage. And EFI's have more power, reliability, are easier to maintain, and get better MPG.

I'm sorry, I just get so worked up when y'all make the two sound like completely different motors. Like swapping the two will add another 50 horse power....

It's not like that. The 2F block will produce more power down low in the rev band, versus its DE-stroked counterpart, the 3Fe, which will deliver its peak at a higher RPM. And the 3Fe's head will fit on a 2F block ("2F-e"). So, if you wire it for EFI, (since you're talking about an abomination anyway) you'll get the best of both worlds and the best base as far as a Toyota only, gas, drivetrain.

How about swapping the entire FJ62 drivetrain in? So fuel injection and the auto.

I miss my old 62. Not terribly fast but fast enough. The fuel injected motor was nice in the middle of winter.

Then you'd get a De-stroked motor...in a Brinks truck. But you're on the right track.

EFI on 3FE would be nice but mean more work for the wiring/computer conections... if I went beyond just a auto tranny I'd have to consider a later fj80 engine, small block 350, or even a turbo H diesel. Might be worth it though because it would be all for my honey (at least until she goes to the next vehicle and I got the troopy back

I'm still wondering how much of a degradation I would see/feel simply by going from the H41 to an A440F... same engine, same vehicle weight, same t/c gearing (not that I'm worried about low), etc. Can't be THAT big a difference in seat of the pants power can it?? Anyone with direct experience going from an H4x to an A440F with the same engine??

I'd look a wiring harness and its integration before I went that far. I have a junk 92, Fj80 and its harness looks EASY to integrate into something else....


I'm thinking a Fj40 firewall....I want to put an Aqualu 45 cab on it, but the lotto gods, do not smile for thee

I can't imagine there would be much difference between the two trannys.

AT's suck the life outta motors. ESPECIALLY the A440. And ESPECIALLY behind motors that don't put out a lot of power to start with. IMO, none of the F motors were designed to have autos behind them. I'll wager that was initiated for the american market....."can I get fries with that?"...

 

[1tontoy]

I had an FJ62 and did an H55 swap into it. I instantly noticed a huge difference.

With the auto, you really have to get on the throttle to get any kind of response.

With that said, an auto is great for cruisin and takin the kids to the games.

I think you could swap in the A440 without much trouble. And, you can probably source the trans. and parts for pretty cheap.

Hell, I literally took the A440 to the dump after swapping in the H55 because I couldn't sell it for $100.