Anyone in AZ looking to sell a 100-series?
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Not that I can think of but you may have a little competition in your quest, I think there's a couple lookers here in Az right now. I say keep up on the usual sites like Cars.com and traderonline. There's also a clean ass 100 in the vehicles for sale section right now but it's not in Az. I'll look for the link.
Insist on a 2000 model year and newer. Many reasons why, though the bottom line is that a 2000+ is:
MUCH better on-road
BETTER OVERALL off-road
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MUCH better on-road
BETTER OVERALL off-road
Search on MUD for links and detailed information.
Pskhaat
Tourer
Why do you say much better ON road? I have driven my 1999 and my brother's 2000 extensively on the road, and find them identical. Are you referring to TRAC, etc?
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Thanks for the replies guys! I am still out there looking but am trying to be patient and wait for the right deal. I have read that the 2000+ is the way to go. I am even thinking about shelling out the big bucks for a 2003+ or maybe a LX470 although it is a little bling for my tastes. Please let me know if you come accross any great deals. Thanks
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3fj40 said:
Here's the "on-road" answer:
VSC = Huge safety factor
The 98 and 99 tipped on 2 wheels in testing and were known to be unsafe. It's the rollover factor. Imagine how a 2-3 inch lift would make things even worse for the four-wheeler?
VSC eliminated the tipping issue and the Cruiser was then known to be safe. This info alone is enough for me to insist on a VSC equipped model.
Then, add in the VSC benefits on the basic dirt road. Not four wheeling, just a dirt road. The system works amazingly well. If you screw up in the dirt the VSC will save your butt.
Pskhaat
Tourer
I think they're tippy in and of themselves in design as all past LCs have been. Not debating benefits of VSC, but are you saying that 98/99 is more tippy than an 80 series (for instance).
3fj40 said:
I've never seen any comparative data on that. My guess would be that a stock 80 is less tippy than a stock 100. The 100 has more weight out to the sides and the front and on the same platform.
VSC is the DEVIL! It's a contraption that gives a false sense of security and takes away from the true driving experience. I say the same about ABS brakes. First thing I would do after jumping in the Sequoia was turn off the VSC and it's now the first thing I do when getting in the AUDI. These devices are there for people who can't drive within the limits of the car. VSC is a "Saftey" device to merely take away control from the person who should have it... the driver.
BMAN said:
Making a "global" statement like this takes away one's confidence in what you say.
What you say may be true for "most" situations, and "most" drivers, and for "most" vehicles.This thread addresses VSC's merits on the 100. The 100's VSC and TRAC programming are spot on. My VSC has never activated on dry pavement despite me driving it like my old Rx7. Getting it to activate on dirt is also a challenge as the truck is so well controlled (unlike my 80's). To discount it's merits in an emergency situation (and SUV rollovers are plentiful) to a potential buyer is a mistake IMO.
Note: The 100's ABS is incredible also. It's smart-design system in 4-LO is absolutely perfect. Crawling it's as though the ABS is off. Stopping quickly in dirt and rocks it's as though there's no ABS. You can slide down hills with wheels locked, etc. Hit something slick or some real loose rock at some speed and ABS kicks in even in 4-LO.
You can't take experience from one vehicle (like the Sequoia who's VSC and TRAC programming suck as they activate way too soon...though adding safety for the bigger rig) and globally apply it to all. Perhaps some butt-in-a-100 experience would convince you. The 100 is simply the finest Toyota product ever built...especially 2000 and up.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. My statement is global in that it is my own personal opinion. That said, there's no situation in my driving past that one of these operating systems in any vehicle has ever done any good. They make the vehicle react in a manner not normal to what a competent driver should be expecting. IMO a driver who ends up in a ditch on a dirt road because they were driving beyond their vehicles limits or their own driving limits belongs there, and any "electronic device" that they rely on to keep them out of that ditch is a cover up for poor driving skills.
I will not argue the merits of Toyota engineering. There is little to dispute.
I will not argue the merits of Toyota engineering. There is little to dispute.
BMAN said:
Life to me isn't about driving. It's about staying alive. I'd rather be alive than be braggin about what a great driver I was.
I agree with your overall theory. There's no sub's for good driving skill. Things do happen out there though and to "expert" drivers too.
By the way...the drivers that couldn't control the 98-99 Cruiser were professionals. While they couldn't keep the 98-99 on 4-wheels through the course, they could on the 2000 model with VSC. Interesting, huh?
BMAN said:
amen brotha.
Pskhaat
Tourer
Shotts, still unsure if this tipping problem is specific to 98-99s or just 1999- TLC models due to lack of VSC?
ShottsUZJ100 said:Life to me isn't about driving. It's about staying alive. I'd rather be alive than be braggin about what a great driver I was.
I agree with your overall theory. There's no sub's for good driving skill. Things do happen out there though and to "expert" drivers too.
By the way...the drivers that couldn't control the 98-99 Cruiser were professionals. While they couldn't keep the 98-99 on 4-wheels through the course, they could on the 2000 model with VSC. Interesting, huh?
Here we have a major difference in personal prefference and lifestyle. I LOVE to drive. Any day that I don't drive I feel aggitated and restless. Too long w/o driving and I feel ill. To me... a very big chunk of life is about driving. I drive to relax, I drive for enjoyment and excitement. When I'm ill or down in the dumps I drive to clear my head. I own 8 cars for Pete's sake. Every hobby I can ever remember having short of baseball and football have involed cars. Outside of my actual 9 to 5 the majority of my free tim eis either spent with my family or my cars and when I'm lucky, both. Beyond that, driving to me is also just as much about staying alive. I want my car to respond how "I" want it to respond, not how some saftey engineer Ralph Nader want-to-be sitting in a small room somewhere with a pillowtop desk thinks it should react. When that idiot pulls out in front of me I want to be the one in control of where my vehicle is going and at what rate of speed and or deceleration. The human brain is the most powerful computer in existence, and no AI crap will ever replace it.
The proffesional drivers you speak of are trained to take the vehicles they test to the limits of safe operation. I would venture to guess that the 2000+ 100 series with VSC disabled will perform similarly to earlier models in rolover testing. A computer makes the choices for the driver instead of the driver making intelligent decisions and driving within the vehicles limits.
3fj40 said:
Both model years for sure. The tipping on 2 wheels was caused by too soft a suspension, just like the Isuzu Trooper. Isuzu addressed the issue by swapping stiffer shocks into the next model year. When it was re-tested it tracked well and didn't tip. Toyota addressed the issue with VSC.
BMAN said:
***I'm sure that you are correct because all the 100's until a 2006 with AHC have the same suspension. It's the soft suspension that's the problem. All I can say about VSC IN THE 100-SERIES is:
Pro drivers, in a real-life controlled driving condition, could NOT keep the wheels on the ground. Are you, or am I, or is the person wanting to buy a 100 on this thread as good of a driver as the testers? I'd guess probably no. This tells me I WANT AND NEED VSC. It was VSC that made the difference in the test...not a driver.***
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-Spike- said:
So. Who cares? You?
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