Alaska Cruiser Trek 2006

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Mark, I think I answered my own question. The ferry to Whitier only goes twice a month and does not match with the trip dates. The ferry to Haines travels twice a week with the closest one to your departure date leaving Bellingham on June 30, arriving in Haines July 3rd. I would still have to drive 700 miles or so, but arriving 4 days early is too early! On to plan B! Jim
 
Hi Jim,

Yep, if you're coming up on the ferry from the '48, Haines is as far as it goes. While the Alaska Marine Highway System does serve communities further up the southern coast and Kodiak too, it is not scheduled in such a way as to make a trip from the '48 all the way to the Anchorage area feasible.


Mark...
 
Haines to anchorage is 782 miles away. The trail head is about 120 from anchorage(if I remember right). so about 662 miles to the trail head from Haines. Start in alaska, go into canda then back into Alaska. Very beautiful drive. robbie
 
Mark,
I'm getting itchy.
When do we get to register?

devo
 
I'm sitting here working on final drafts of the website now. I had hoped for some assistence which hasn't happened, so it's going slower than anticipated.

But the site should be up soon, along with registration/application info and forms. Soon as in within just a few more days at the most.

Mark...
 
I hope this hasn't been asked allready, but would you need a passport for this trip?
 
No. After Dec 31 2006 some regulations may tighten, but for the timeframe of the Trek a passport is still not going to be part of thre paperwork. Basically a valid governmentissued ID (drivers license) and regetration for your vehicle(s) is the most important.


Mark...
 
semlin said:
I can find some MTRs and a snorkle, but I doubt I can easily raise the recovery points above the OEM frame loops front or rear. a rear bumper is not in the budget and the ARB on the front has no decent place to tug. :D


I was under an FZJ80 today and took the time to look at the loops under the front of the frame. I haven't had much reason to look at these with a critical eye before 'cause we don't get '80s on the trails too often around here.

These loops are not suitable for a strap recovery. They may hold up to a winch recovery (to be honest they look to be intended more as tie down points). A good vigorous yank on a strap can easily and often approach the 20-30 thousand pound strength of the strap. It's not unusual to need that kind of yank. I would not be comfortable counting on that loop to take that stress. More importantly, there is no way to connect a strap to it without using a shackle. If the loop does give way you now have a heavy projectile being propelled at the end of that rebounding strap. Potentially deadly.

The good news is; The spacing of the holes seems to match a standard tow hook. It will still be in a far from ideal location, but if you are willing to dig into the mud or dive under the water if need be to hook it up, it will be suitable for use with a strap with hooks replacing the loops.


If you have the usual factory (or aftermarket) receiver tow point on the back of the rig, we will have a couple stab in shackle units that will convert this to an ideal strap recover point.

Mark...
 
Mark W said:
...FZJ80...These loops are not suitable for a strap recovery....

Good Call, this happened recently to a club member (Safado), the projectile put a dent in another members (dmc) Cruiser. Replace them before you need them... :D
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Mark that is an interesting comment and Kurt that is an interesting photo. my personal experience is limited to soft tugs as I tend to stay away from deep mud. there is no doubt in my mind that the 80 stock loops up front are a lot stronger than the arb bullbar "recovery" points and so most folks use the stock loops for the front if they have an arb. that leaves me with an interesting question. since most built 80s have arbs up front and use the stock recovery points, why aren't they breaking all the time?

anyway, i started a thread in the 80 section about it. thanks for the comment mark.

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?p=868396#post868396
 
semlin said:
that leaves me with an interesting question. since most built 80s have arbs up front and use the stock recovery points, why aren't they breaking all the time?


I'll probably hurt some feelings with these comments, but I'd put money on a simple answer.

Most '80s are not seeing bad stucks that get recovered via straps. Most '80s are being used on less challenging trails. The ones that are being used on the tougher trails are being used on trails that don't have a lot of mud as opposed to rocks and high traction situations. Most '80s are out in groups, not scouting with one or two rigs. Most '80s on the trail tend to be well equipped and the groups they are in tend to be also. If everyone has a winch that they are eager to put to use, that tends to be the first option selected.

Basically few '80s get subjected to hard yanks in bad stucks.

But there are many stucks that you can resolve in a few seconds with a strap while a winch hook up (if it is feasible) will take much longer. Several minutes at the very least. And the policing everything up and getting underway again can take even longer. This leads us (me and the bunch I run with) to usually select a strap before a winch anytime it is feasible.

Some recoveries are much easier with or even require a winch. Conversely some are much easier with and sometimes require a strap. And these are usually recoveries that call for a good bit of effort put into the yank.

I have seen tons of people who don't really understand how to use a strap to its greatest advantage. They try to use them to tow the stuck rig. Or they gently hit the end of the strap and then try to mantain forward pull against a rig that is not moving. If that's how you use a strap yuo won't ever have to worry about overloaded recovery points. But you'll have a lot of rgs that you won't be able to get out of the muck or which take a lot more work and time to free than they should.

Correct strap usage can look pretty violent to someone who is not familiar with it. You want to let the initial impact against the end of the strap do most of the work. Load the strap up with all of the momentum you can generate with the recovery rig. (Within reason of course... But usually in a situation like this the recovery rig doesn't have much traction either so getting moving too fast is seldom an issue.) Let this pop the mired rig out. Then if need be and if the terrain is favorable to it, continue to assist its forward motion by pulling (towing) on the strap until the stuck rig is free. Often the terrain won't allow this and you have to let off the throttle as the recovery rig hits the strap to avoid getting it mired also. Then momentum has to do all, not just most, of the work.

But this puts a lot of stress on anchor points so it is important that they are up to the task.


Mark...
 
Mark, I guess I'll have to come up and see you Alaskan hard yanks do your hard yanking :D

I think generally you are right in your comments. this website has a catchy name after all. A lot of the 80 owners in the lower 48 seem to be in areas where rocks not mud is the problem. I am also cautious taking mine into mud because I know how heavy it is, and I'm sure I am not alone. I will go around it if I can and the times I have gone into deep mud are when I have had little choice on through route trips in BC when it's either go for it or go back the way you came 40 miles. that sounds like the kind of trip you have in mind multiplied by 10 (the reason I am interested) so I can see what you are saying.
 
Site work

Mark, if you need a hand with the site let me know. One of my good friends is a master at all that fun stuff.
 
Semlin;

Your 80 may be heavy but if you're anything like Brantley it'll do fine. Surprisingly well actually. Last Cruiser Trek I was on we were all on the end of a strap many times a day. Most times it was a quick snap and you're out again but sometimes it took a lot more. Have you run the Whipsaw? ACT can be like the muddy sections of it. If you keep the hammer down you can generally just barely make it through without stopping. We'll have a welder, we can weld on anything that falls off and I've got lots of damage to the back of my rig from broken towpoints flying at me. (I look at the structure of high back buckets now when shopping for seats) :eek:
 
well no question that 80's do have decent head rests :D

I'm toying with the idea of sleeving/sistering the ARB bumper recovery points if I do this.
 
Anohter option is just to add tow hooks to the uprights on the arb (sideways). They have been proven to be up to the task and are much easier to get to if you are in the deep stuff.

EDIT here is a pic that sorta shows the shiney hooks mounted on the uprights of an ARB. Isn't Tippy tiny?:D
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Ya must have dug deep for that shot bruce. Tippy on, what... 33s? 32s?


My recommendation for the '80s would be to swap tow hooks in to replace the loops on the frame. Then ideally you can add some additional points to the ARB that are easier to get to. That way you got the option of just hooking up to these if the others are tough to get to and it looks like the yank won't be crazy hard.


Mark...
 
I expect to have details of the Trek AND application forms out to everyone within a couple of days now.

I bagged my attempt at the website. It just wasn't turning out the way I wanted it to and bringing in outside help would have added too much time at this point.

Instead I turned it into a word .doc which will read on your computer like a web page but is also formatted to print out decently. Full details and rules, requirements and suggestions and so on. Includes an application on the last pages to print out and return.

It's a big file. :( 1.5 megabytes more or less. But that includes picts and the sort of stuff that would have been on a site.

Along with the problems I was encountering getting it up, I realized that we don't have any need for further exposure. From the folks who have discussed things here, the folks who have contacted me from the LCML and from the Trails and all of the locals who are inerested, I'm affaid we'll be turning folks away anyway.

Currently The final draft is out for the rest of the ACC to look over and offer any last minute suggestions . I should be sending it out to everyone by the weekend.

If you have expressed an interest either here or directly to me, you'll get a copy.


Mark...
 
I have been following this thread from the beging and I am interested, but have not express that until now. I would like this information if it is not too much trouble. thanks robbie
 

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