A440F transmission options (1 Viewer)

[Cothran]

I've been researching but am unable to come away with any definitive answers, so I'm posting now.

My '91 HZJ77 just lost the transmission, and finding someone to rebuild it in Minnesota is going to be difficult if not impossible. I'm aware that the FJ80s came with the A440, and I'm able to find used trannies online. I'm also aware that there are like 3 or 4 different part numbers for an A440F, and what I don't know is if those are just based on the internals, or if those differences would make it unable to just bolt back on.

According to Megazip, my A440 is pn 35000-60350 (it also lists for $9k ).
However, on ToyotaPartsDeals, there are a number of A440Fs, some of which only cost $3,500, but the part numbers are 35000-60193.

Any idea if these will bolt up, or what the differences might be? Also, if anyone has a used A440 from a 70 series, let me know!

Thanks!

 

[OGBeno]

I've been researching but am unable to come away with any definitive answers, so I'm posting now.

My '91 HZJ77 just lost the transmission, and finding someone to rebuild it in Minnesota is going to be difficult if not impossible. I'm aware that the FJ80s came with the A440, and I'm able to find used trannies online. I'm also aware that there are like 3 or 4 different part numbers for an A440F, and what I don't know is if those are just based on the internals, or if those differences would make it unable to just bolt back on.

According to Megazip, my A440 is pn 35000-60350 (it also lists for $9k ).
However, on ToyotaPartsDeals, there are a number of A440Fs, some of which only cost $3,500, but the part numbers are 35000-60193.

Any idea if these will bolt up, or what the differences might be? Also, if anyone has a used A440 from a 70 series, let me know!

Thanks!

The A440F for a 30+ year old, non-US JDM vehicle is long discontinued. It's not available from Toyota anywhere in the world. Trust me on this one. FJ80 iteration will not work either.

You can contact Georg @orangefj45 and see if he has any Wholesale Automatic options for you.

You can also post a Classified ad in the Classifieds section of MUD to try to procure one.

Also, this might be a good time for a 5 speed conversion. Another option.

 

[Old Nick]

I've been researching but am unable to come away with any definitive answers, so I'm posting now.

My '91 HZJ77 just lost the transmission, and finding someone to rebuild it in Minnesota is going to be difficult if not impossible. I'm aware that the FJ80s came with the A440, and I'm able to find used trannies online. I'm also aware that there are like 3 or 4 different part numbers for an A440F, and what I don't know is if those are just based on the internals, or if those differences would make it unable to just bolt back on.

According to Megazip, my A440 is pn 35000-60350 (it also lists for $9k ).
However, on ToyotaPartsDeals, there are a number of A440Fs, some of which only cost $3,500, but the part numbers are 35000-60193.

Any idea if these will bolt up, or what the differences might be? Also, if anyone has a used A440 from a 70 series, let me know!

Thanks!

Second the Valley Hybrids option (for either a "new" Wholesale Automatics auto, or for a 5sp. conversion). The A440F on my 62 failed a couple of years ago. I called and spoke with Georg and he hooked me up with an upgraded Wholesale Automatics transmission. It was NOT cheap, but worth it to me.

If you go that route, be sure to pull your bell-housing from your existing transmission as it will be needed for the new tranny.

 

[Cothran]

Contacted Valley Hybrids - thank you!

Next question - I suppose it's not possible to bolt up a non-electric A442F from a diesel 80 if I grab the bellhousing?
I could order a rebuilt A440F for a 77 from Japan for $6k including shipping. I guess it depends on what the cost of an H55 swap is. I also contacted Back 40 imports and according to them, the only viable option is indeed a manual swap.

 

[Old Nick]

Contacted Valley Hybrids - thank you!

Next question - I suppose it's not possible bolt up a non-electric A442F from a diesel 80 if I grab the bellhousing?
I could order a rebuilt A440F for a 77 from Japan for $6k including shipping. I guess it depends on what the cost of an H55 swap is. I also contacted Back 40 imports and according to them, the only viable option is indeed a manual swap.

I'm afraid that I don't have any direct experience with diesels like yours (sweet rig btw).

I'd wait to see if Beno chimes in.

Also, wait to see what Valley Hybrids has to say... they know their stuff and will guide you in the right direction.

 

[AirheadNut]

The A442f from an 80-series might possibly work, but you will probably run into issues with transfer case compatibility. An H55f would be great, they are available brand new for significantly less than the price of a rebuilt auto. You'd also need all the clutch and shifter parts though, which would add up.

 

[OGBeno]

The A442f from an 80-series might possibly work, but you will probably run into issues with transfer case compatibility. An H55f would be great, they are available brand new for significantly less than the price of a rebuilt auto. You'd also need all the clutch and shifter parts though, which would add up.

A442F from an 80 would not work for a number of reasons.

 

[Gun Runner 5]

Contacted Valley Hybrids - thank you!

Next question - I suppose it's not possible to bolt up a non-electric A442F from a diesel 80 if I grab the bellhousing?
I could order a rebuilt A440F for a 77 from Japan for $6k including shipping. I guess it depends on what the cost of an H55 swap is. I also contacted Back 40 imports and according to them, the only viable option is indeed a manual swap.

The owner of Odd Iron Off Road has that transmission in his wife’s 77 Series, so yes it’s possible.

 

[JuanJ]

The owner of Odd Iron Off Road has that transmission in his wife’s 77 Series, so yes it’s possible.

Hello,

It is possible but quite likely there is some specific work (and a good amount of money) involved.

This just reminded me of engine swaps. They are possible, but the work (and resources) they require is not for everybody.




Juan

 

[Gun Runner 5]

Hello,

It is possible but quite likely there is some specific work (and a good amount of money) involved.

This just reminded me of engine swaps. They are possible, but the work (and resources) they require is not for everybody.




Juan

I didn't say it was without issues. I'm simply stating it's possible.

 

[JuanJ]

I didn't say it was without issues. I'm simply stating it's possible.

Hello,

Let us say that possible and likely may or may not be in the same sentence, or at the same time...






Juan

 

[Gun Runner 5]

Hello,

Let us say that possible and likely may or may not be in the same sentence, or at the same time...






Juan

I have zero mechanical talent so I’m in no position to discuss how difficult the installation may have been but the 77 Series is daily driver for Mrs. Odd Iron.

 

[OGBeno]

I'd be very interested in knowing how an 8/1992-1994 USDM 80 series A442F was used in a JDM 77 series with a 1HZ:

How was the 1FZ input used with the 1HZ?
How were the shift solenoids taken into account hydraulically and electronically?
How was the transmission computer integrated?
How was the shift pattern at the shifter adjusted to accommodate the different pattern shift patterns between the A440F and the A442F--especially the overdrive function?
How was the casing and the bellhousing accommodated for?
How was the transfer case adapted to the A442F?
How was the torque converter accommodated considering they are quite different?

 

[JuanJ]

I have zero mechanical talent so I’m in no position to discuss how difficult the installation may have been but the 77 Series is daily driver for Mrs. Odd Iron.

Hello,

You do not want Mrs. Odd Iron stranded with a faulty transmission when running an errand. I certainly would not.

Possible and likely were in the same sentence for her. And no funds spared.





Juan

 

[AirheadNut]

I'd be very interested in knowing how an 8/1992-1994 USDM 80 series A442F was used in a JDM 77 series with a 1HZ:

How was the 1FZ input used with the 1HZ?
How were the shift solenoids taken into account hydraulically and electronically?
How was the transmission computer integrated?
How was the shift pattern at the shifter adjusted to accommodate the different pattern shift patterns between the A440F and the A442F--especially the overdrive function?
How was the casing and the bellhousing accommodated for?
How was the transfer case adapted to the A442F?
How was the torque converter accommodated considering they are quite different?

I suspect they used an early HDJ81 spec A442f, that is the only version I can see with a chance of working in that application.

 

[OGBeno]

I suspect they used an early HDJ81 spec A442f, that is the only version I can see with a chance of working in that application.

Makes sense. Agreed. And even that is no where near close to PnP. Still lots to sort out.

Specific A442F used should have been clarified.

 

[Cothran]

I guess at this point, it has to be significantly more beneficial and not excessively more expensive than spending $6k for a rebuilt A440F that I can just swap right in.

Yes, I would love an H55, but the amount of work and the cost - from what I hear close to $10k - doesn't make it quite as attractive.

Even if an early hydraulic A442F works without too much trouble, how hard is it to find one, and do I just end up in the same boat if that one fails as far as parts availability? I really wasn't anticipating this level of difficulty when I bought the 77, considering how many swaps are available for other old LCs. I miss my old 40 and how easy it was to swap in an SM420.

 

[OGBeno]

And it will only get more difficult and more expensive the older these non-US units get…. Not cheaper.

 

[JuanJ]

Hello,

Would the R151F transmission be an option?

It is not a North American transmission but it bolts on to the 1HZ, and it is still in production. It may not be fit for hardcore applications but it is reliable.

Just a suggestion.

No offense intended.




Juan

 

[Cothran]

I'm just learning about this transmission from this thread. Does seem like it's better and stronger than the H55, however, the H55 swap has been documented pretty thoroughly with a complete parts list. I don't necessarily know what I'd be in for if I chose the R151 or the H152.