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oh word to the wise........dont check the oil on a gen when its runninng.......;)

:eek: Did you end up wearing hot oil?

Mine has an oil level shutdown switch (I assume that your's does also). It's very sensitive. There only seems to be about a 1 pint difference between the full level and the low oil shutdown. I make a habit of filling it with oil before I fire it up.

Natural gas and/or multi-fuel are nice options, but the cost of the gen goes way up. I have a hard time justifying the expense for the few times a year that I really need to fire it up. This year was worse than normal for power outages.
 
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I got a 1500 watt inverter for the sole purpose of being able to run my gas fired, forced air, pilotless ignition furnace in an emergency. I've had the thing for a couple years now and have yet to actually see if it works. I did load tests on the furnace to see how much power I would need. The hot surface ignition and the blower startup definitely take the most power. A 500W inverter couldn't handle it. It could run the blower but not the igniter. To wire the thing into the furnace, I've got a shorty extension cord with male plugs on both ends. At my service panel I can shut off all the breakers (including the main) and just leave on the furnace breaker and a breaker for a single outlet in the garage. Both of these circuits need to tap into the same bus bar in the panel. I can then run power through cord from the inverter in the truck, thru the double male cord, into the panel and down the the furnace. The big inverter hasn't been mounted in the truck due to the lack of space and the rec'd 0 gage cables needs to carry the low voltage current.
 
I've been here nearly a year and I think I've only got about 3 misdirected PM's so that's not too bad. I'd change my name but it's my name in life and on any of the forums I visit so I like to keep it simple. Good luck with the furnace and if you have any more questions let me know. ...Steve

Hmmmm two Steve-O's. Its cool, my last name is actually Hayes.
 
I installed a wood stove last winter, and its been great. I have heated my house with 90% wood until last week since early October. We have been seeing low temps this whole winter here in Colorado, it has really been comfortable this year compared to last year. Yeah i burned through 2.5 cords of wood but its been hella cozy.
love it.
I gotta go chop some more wood.
 
My last name's Ogston, hence the "O". I don't mind and always just Pm them back your user name. Anyways, nice to e-meet you other Steve-O. :D

Yeah I dont know why my name was dubbed Steve-O, I freind of mine that used to work for MAF started all that. Sorry to hijack, I dont know anything about heaters. We dont get much snow in SoCal.
 
dude pick up one or two keroseen heaters they only suck when u first light them and first shut them off. but they cheap afordable and heat a house a plenty.
 
Propane or kerosene heaters for emergencies work fine. Buy couple of them to locate strategically throughout the house. Not worth spending all sorts of money for backup power unless this is happening frequently.
 
Propane or kerosene heaters for emergencies work fine. Buy couple of them to locate strategically throughout the house. Not worth spending all sorts of money for backup power unless this is happening frequently.

What about carbon monoxide, I thought that those were only for heating areas with pretty poor seals such as garages? Thanks.
 
What about carbon monoxide, I thought that those were only for heating areas with pretty poor seals such as garages? Thanks.

Carbon monoxide is an issue. Have a cabon monoxide detecter around if you are going to use it. I think opening the gas burners on the stove is just as effective( and dangerous) . Kerosene is pretty stinky stuff and the scent will linger longer than you think.
 
Kerosene heaters are approved for home supplemental heating . Go to home depot and see the round style heaters that people use inside their homes (not torpedo heaters). We used one for supplemental heating in our home in chicago for many years. The amount of CO is easily replaced by opening/closing the exterior doors and the usual leakage found in most homes. We used to light and extinguish the kerosene heater in a bathroom to reduce fumes.

As I stated previously, for emergency heating, you can't beat a cheap and effective solution such as Kerosene or propane heaters.

Cheers.
 
if you are somewhere where it freezes every year, maybe you should look into a fireplace, pellet stove, or stand-alone woodburning stove

good for emergency heat, but also just a nice thing to have around. Who doesn't enjoy sitting by a fire on a cold day?
 
if you are somewhere where it freezes every year, maybe you should look into a fireplace, pellet stove, or stand-alone woodburning stove

good for emergency heat, but also just a nice thing to have around. Who doesn't enjoy sitting by a fire on a cold day?

Yes, I have a fireplace mostly for "mood" purposes :D but it would indeed serve well if we were to have a short outage. I probably only have enough firewood for few days. Also, as far as I'm concerned even in a fireplace a fire should never be left unobserved so to use that exclusively for an outage of any length I would think get tiring. Still, it would work for a short outage and come to think of it, firewood for just a few days is dumb, I should stack some more up. :doh:

I also have three of those old style oil filled electric radiators in the extremely strange event that we lost our gas utility but not our electrical utility. I can't think of time when gas went out. But if I needed those they would work well and could also go unobserved due to their design.

I also have one of those old style kerosun heaters which is what i use in the garage from time to time. I always thought that those were forbidden for use inside a tightly sealed structure (I open the garage door a slight amount when I run the kerosun there) but this thread has helped me understand that they are allowed inside as long as some air infiltration occurs. I should probably purchase another one of those and again they would work for a short outage but there's a limit to how long the fuel lasts and to how long you can sit around and observe them. Again, as far as I'm concerned these things should never be left unobserved.

This thread has helped me see that the ideal machine for my purposes is a tri-fuel generator of smallish size. I've done lots and lots of reading and think that the Honda Powered generators are super sweet. What I'd want to do then is have an outdoor option for gas from my utility company so I'd simply hook up the generator and let er run as long as necessary off of the gas utility. Then if that failed for whatever reason I could switch to kerosene or gasoline as needed with the thought that there's a limit to how much of those things I can realistically store. Attached to that through the simplest of transfer switches would be my furnace, my fridge, my stove and perhaps one or two 15 amp circuits that have a combination of lights and outlets on them. I don't need or want a generator that can continue operating everything in the house but I do need one that will operate outside unobserved for extended periods of time just to keep the house warm, and the food refrigerated or cooked as much as we want. I've noticed that Honda doesn't have their own trifuel offering but there are alot of "Honda Powered" trifuels. So I'm searching for that at the moment.

Since this thread started I have installed a replacement furnace with the cord capability to attach to either transfer switch or generator so that part is already accomplished. Now its just to get a generator that meets the needs I listed above. Thanks for reviving the thread! Any suggestions on good places to get good generators nowadays? :cheers:
 
this is akiller deal on a local NG or Propane Honda EM5000GP, its not a converson, honda use to make them that way for a time

was half tempted to pick it up for myself, nice combo with my new Honda EB5000(gas)

honda generator/propane powered 5000w


this is also a sweat little unit, I borrowed it from my buddy, its only 110V, so if you have a well or septic pump it wont run those, but will run a gas 110v furance and stuff
Honda Power Equipment - Honda CycloConverter Generators
 

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