85 or 86 yota p/u question (1 Viewer)

[OICUR12]

O.K. my buddy has one, it's like an 85 or 86. I think the first year for the EFI. It has like 209k. I think he got it used and put either a timing chain/or belt on it or maybe it was a head gasket? Can't remember. Heck, he drives it everyday. Runs pretty good. However, to me, it sounds like a little rattling noise in the engine. Maybe lifters or timing chain. Not sure. It almost sounds like the injectors are clicking or something?

Anyway, he says he only gets around 13-15 mpg out of her. Is that normal? I figured it should closer to 20mpg. He has aluminum mickey thompson II's, 33 BFG A/T's, 3" BL & 4.88's.

He has offered to trade me and it does look good. It is freshly painted like a burnt orange. new bushwaker flares, diamond plated skid plate, exteded cab, a/c works, power everything, sunroof, nice jamming stereo, etc. I drove it once, It just didn't seem to have a lot of power. Of course, I had just gotten my 98 Dodge Ram 1500. V8, 5spd. I was like a little rabbit on the gas at first. Now it's killing me at the pump. I'm only getting 12-13 mpg. Sometimes 10mpg.

He, may have said he is getting 15mpg - 16 mpg. I can't remember. Is this sound normal though Ya'll?

Thank in Advance,

Danny.

 

[pappy]

O.K. my buddy has one, it's like an 85 or 86. I think the first year for the EFI. It has like 209k. I think he got it used and put either a timing chain/or belt on it or maybe it was a head gasket? Can't remember. Heck, he drives it everyday. Runs pretty good. However, to me, it sounds like a little rattling noise in the engine. Maybe lifters or timing chain. Not sure. It almost sounds like the injectors are clicking or something?

Big difference between 85 and 86. 1985 is a solid axle truck, while the 86 will be IFS. 1985 was the first year for efi in the trucks. It will have a timing chain, no belt. The injectors are noisy. A valve adjustment might be in order. If it was timing chain it would be noisy when giving throttle, then usually quiet down.

Anyway, he says he only gets around 13-15 mpg out of her. Is that normal? I figured it should closer to 20mpg. He has aluminum mickey thompson II's, 33 BFG A/T's, 3" BL & 4.88's.

13-15mpg is low, even with the 33's and 4.88. Of course if he likes to run 70mph on the freeway his mileage will suffer. Should be around 18mpg from my experience keeping the truck close to 65mph. 20mpg with those tires will probably not happen. I would suspect Ox sensor.

I drove it once, It just didn't seem to have a lot of power. Of course, I had just gotten my 98 Dodge Ram 1500. V8, 5spd. I was like a little rabbit on the gas at first. Now it's killing me at the pump. I'm only getting 12-13 mpg. Sometimes 10mpg.

The 22re motor will never compete with a V8. Shoot, it's less than half the displacement of most and old school efi. What the 22re lacks in power it makes up for in owner loyality. Yes, they are a dog, even built. Add big tires, armor, lift, and they can struggle. But, they get you there and back. You just get used to it.

 

[Wayneraintree]

Are you thinking about trading him for the dodge?

 

[OICUR12]

Well, the thought did cross my mind. My brother - in - laws brother is a real live chinese man and a toyota tech./mech. SOO, I know I can get any engine work done fairly reasonable. I just don't want to get into rebuilds and all that jazz. the way his truck sits now with the 3"BL & 33'S WOULD PROBABLY BE THE HIGHEST i WOULD GO. It has pretty good ground clearance now for what I do hunting. Ocassionally I get a wild hair up my butt and go creek riding. Some rock water falls, deep water crossings. Mostly hill climbs otherwise. ocassional wask out/ rock ledges, some mud, etc.

What I really want is a 4runner. 4x4 with a/c. 4 cyl. would be fine. I just can't find anyone that wants to trade one for my dodge. I love the yota trucks though. I prefer the taco's.

Heck, If anyone on here needs a bigger truck to tow with, let me know. If you have something reliable with 4x4 and a/c, I'll probably trade. Everybody is telling me that for the solid axle and shear weight of my truck, My mpg is normal. The factory says it's only rated at 13 city/17highway. Most of driving is backroads. Lot of shifting. I did drive out almost a tank this weekend on the interstate and never let the RPM's get over 2k, and the mileage did jump to approx. 15 which ain't bad. I just want something a little smaller. My jeep with 4.88's 2.5 4banger, 33" a/t's' soft top and homemade heavy front and rear bumpers and m8000 winch got 18-20 on the interstate. That is the MPG I would like to get again. The only thing my truck will be used to tow since my wife has a full size dodge now is a 16 lowe V-bottom bass boat or a 350 rancher on a 4x6 trailer. I think the yota would pull those wouldn't it?

 

[Wayneraintree]

Well, the thought did cross my mind. My brother - in - laws brother is a real live chinese man and a toyota tech./mech. SOO,

Toyota's are Japanese trucks, not Chinese....

I know I can get any engine work done fairly reasonable. I just don't want to get into rebuilds and all that jazz. the way his truck sits now with the 3"BL & 33'S WOULD PROBABLY BE THE HIGHEST i WOULD GO. It has pretty good ground clearance now for what I do hunting. Ocassionally I get a wild hair up my butt and go creek riding. Some rock water falls, deep water crossings. Mostly hill climbs otherwise. ocassional wask out/ rock ledges, some mud, etc.

What I really want is a 4runner. 4x4 with a/c. 4 cyl. would be fine. I just can't find anyone that wants to trade one for my dodge. I love the yota trucks though. I prefer the taco's.

Sell the dodge for cash and look closely for a good deal on exactly what you want.... sound like your friends 4runner may be in need of TLC...

Heck, If anyone on here needs a bigger truck to tow with, let me know. If you have something reliable with 4x4 and a/c, I'll probably trade. Everybody is telling me that for the solid axle and shear weight of my truck, My mpg is normal. The factory says it's only rated at 13 city/17highway. Most of driving is backroads. Lot of shifting. I did drive out almost a tank this weekend on the interstate and never let the RPM's get over 2k, and the mileage did jump to approx. 15 which ain't bad. I just want something a little smaller. My jeep with 4.88's 2.5 4banger, 33" a/t's' soft top and homemade heavy front and rear bumpers and m8000 winch got 18-20 on the interstate. That is the MPG I would like to get again. The only thing my truck will be used to tow since my wife has a full size dodge now is a 16 lowe V-bottom bass boat or a 350 rancher on a 4x6 trailer. I think the yota would pull those wouldn't it?

Mini's can pull a quad, lawn tractor, etc. just not 70 MPH on the highway, it all depends on how far your going and how fast you want to get there..

good luck

 

[OICUR12]

Well it's not a 4-runner. It is an ext. cab 86 pickup. I drove it again yesterday and seemed to run o.k. The AIR CONDITIONING works pretty good after you get rolling. It doesn't freeze your nipples off, but it is very comfy. I did not notice last time I drove it but it is power every dang thing, every guage, switch, etc works and it has a sun roof. An 86! Never thought I would see that.

Now the question. It has 228,500 on the odometer. When I first started her up at his place of work she had been sitting for a few hours so she was cooled off. She had a shake to the motor that was plane as day. shook about 2" back and fourth. when I throttled it, it smoothed out for the most part. After driving it the shake stopped. He said that was normal when she is cold. or just started.

After returning from the 10 mile drive I took her on, instead of it idleing at about 600-800 rpm, she now idled at 1000-1200 rpm. I turned it off and then restarted it and it was at approx. 800 rpm and then eased up to about 1100rpm.

He said in the summer, he idles up the idle screw a little so she doesn't dog back as much with the A/C on. Also, from the time I started it to the time I shut it off and every time it ran, the noise up top of the engine sounded like lifters rattling. The last time I looked, these little motors have a solid type lifter/rocker assembly. the best I can remember anyways.

Anyway, He said he has tried and tried to adjust them till they quite and no luck. He said he did put a new timing chain, tensioner and all the jazz in it at about 195k or 200k. He also said that with reg. gas, he spends about 20-25 empty to fill up and it takes approx. 10 gallons and he goes slightly over 200 miles a tank, sometimes just under 200 miles a tank. So, I am figuring around 118-19mpg. Which that is great.

Anyway, the biggest thing is the noise I am hearing normal? If I bought a new lifter/rocker assembly, could that quite it down? Also, if I did that, would it hurt the rings or through the compression down through the rings and cause it to burn oil?

The truck has been recently painted buy himself and she looks o.k., However, over the fenders, the rust has already started to bubble back through the paint. I am wondering if the seem in the bed on the backside of the panel needed to be treaded or caulked or something because he sanded the rust down and bondoed it before he painted it.

I'll stop with the novel now. I just have a lot of questions. Any advise, help, critisism would be appreciated!

Thanks, Danny.

 

[pappy]

Now the question. It has 228,500 on the odometer. When I first started her up at his place of work she had been sitting for a few hours so she was cooled off. She had a shake to the motor that was plane as day. shook about 2" back and fourth. when I throttled it, it smoothed out for the most part. After driving it the shake stopped. He said that was normal when she is cold. or just started.

My truck did this. Also made slight whinning noise. Turned out to be the starter was not releasing. New starter fixed the problem.

After returning from the 10 mile drive I took her on, instead of it idleing at about 600-800 rpm, she now idled at 1000-1200 rpm. I turned it off and then restarted it and it was at approx. 800 rpm and then eased up to about 1100rpm. He said in the summer, he idles up the idle screw a little so she doesn't dog back as much with the A/C on.

The truck should idle up automatically when the AC compressor is running. If I remember right the gizmo that idles up the motor is located on the plenum, driver side, right in the middle with a couple of hoses attached. There is a plastic hex screw on top that might need adjustment. Or, it could be carboned up and just need cleaning.

Also, from the time I started it to the time I shut it off and every time it ran, the noise up top of the engine sounded like lifters rattling. The last time I looked, these little motors have a solid type lifter/rocker assembly. the best I can remember anyways.

Anyway, He said he has tried and tried to adjust them till they quite and no luck. He said he did put a new timing chain, tensioner and all the jazz in it at about 195k or 200k. He also said that with reg. gas, he spends about 20-25 empty to fill up and it takes approx. 10 gallons and he goes slightly over 200 miles a tank, sometimes just under 200 miles a tank. So, I am figuring around 118-19mpg. Which that is great.

Anyway, the biggest thing is the noise I am hearing normal? If I bought a new lifter/rocker assembly, could that quite it down? Also, if I did that, would it hurt the rings or through the compression down through the rings and cause it to burn oil?

The 22re motor is an over head cam motor. No lifters. The rocker arms move directly off the camshaft. What you might be hearing are the injectors. They are noisy and there is nothing that will fix that. I would not adjust the valves too tight. If I remember right the spec is .008" intake and .012" exhaust. Some folks run .001" less and it does seem to help with the noise.

 

[OICUR12]

can ALL that noise be coming from the injectors PAPPY? I meen it sounds like a chickachickachicka sound. I know that is a little vague. It sounds mechanical and not so much electrical. like it is coming from the valve cover. I talked to the brother - in - laws brother, the toyo tech. He said he would drop the other work he is doing (because I am family) and rebuild the motor if I wanted to get the truck. He said it would run about $1500 for what I wanted. And that was everything. Or if it just needed some head work or lower end work or just whatever it needed if nothing else was wrong would be less. However, I don't know if I want to jump in a truck that I am thinking I need to rebuild SOON! My ol dodge is reliable, just not practical ofr me anymore. the older I am getting the more certain things become more important. Like comfort, Gas mileage, 4x4, A/C, ETC. The dodge is big and mean and goes everywhere, but is also my DD and I drive 60-80 miles a day. Just to work. Weekends sometimes more! I have had both sides of the spectrum. I had a 94 Pathfinder that really went every where I pointed it and got 17mpg with 31" m/ts and a m8000 winch. Well, I thought if I had this big ol dodge, I could haul my four wheeler in the bed of it and not have to pull the 4 wheeler on a trailer and just pich tent. nOW,I'M MORE FRUSTRATED THAN EVER, WISHING I STILL HAD MY PATHFINDER AND HAD NOT SPENT ALL THE EXTRA CASH ON THE DOGE!

Now I am thinking that pulling the trailer wasn't so bad after all. the gas was better AND I could sleep in the back nice and comfy on my hunting trips! Hell, I would be willing to through in my four wheeler in with the truck to get a nice 4runner!

Just don't know what to do..................The yota truck I have been looking at, the guy drives it every day, gets roughly 18-19mpg, looks pretty good, new paint two small rust spots poking out over the fender well, good A/C, ext. cab, 3" Body lift, trailmaster shocks, 33x12.50 BFG A/T's, MT classic II's, 2 KC's, sun roof, power every thing, nice after market stereo....... but it's an 86! Mine is a 98. big difference.

I don't know?

 

[pappy]

Yes, the injectors can be that noisy. At least it's very noticable. If it's really loud it could need a simple valve adjustment. I doubt that sound would indicate it's need for a rebuild. A better test would be a compression test, along with maybe a leak down test. Any decent shop should be able to run these.

 

[birddog019]

I've had an 84 pickup with a 22r (carbed) and an 87 4runner with a 22re (injected) and both had the "ticking" sound from the top end of the engine. A simple valve adjustment should quiet it some but it won't completely go away from my experience. I would have a good mechanic check it out, then you'll know for sure.

Brian

 

[Grouseman]

Danny,

Yea have it checked out. When you find the phone number for the brothers in law, brother pass it on to me. I would like to contact him this weekend, and get in line to get some work done.

Grouseman