5th gen 4 runner vs LC250

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Fort9378 said:
Not yet. They're on the Tacoma TRD Pro so I wouldn't be surprised if they end up in the 250 at some point.
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I'll be very surprised if they show up on the 250.
 
They won’t be able to add them since the distribution/installation for the seats is only available in Mexico. Anything built in Japan will not have the option.
 
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Fort9378 said:
I'm off work today so I'm using my powers for this effort. I think I captured most of the specs that matter. Anything that was the same across all platforms I left out. I'll add weight and payload once we get real weight numbers for the 250.

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Important to note that a lot of the tech stuff can be added as options on the Overtrail. I did the comparison using the base model of all of the above trims with no additional options.
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Looking at this chart, for me the LC Premium would win hands down IF it came with the 9.5" axle. I really don't understand not including the larger axle on the Landcruiser, it should be standard.
 
Not sure I understand the question, but the table is making reference to the fact the OT and OT+ do not have AC vents in the 2nd and 3rd rows in the headliner, only 2 vents in the middle of the center console facing backwards, like the current 5th Gen T4R has, and so other vehicles, which is only an extension of the AC and controled by the front.

Totally a miss out from Lexus, and hopefully they will change it one day, since the OT and OT+ with KDSS are nice !

Oakleyguy said:
Lastly, I know the vent situation is weird in the OT/OT+ but does it not include 3zone that's still controlled from the driver seat?
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Oakleyguy said:
The whole 3zone/overhead vent item with the Overtrail baffles me frankly. Not a critical item for some folks but with my kids and dogs I use the 4-zone controls in my 200 and the 3-zone in my 100 ALL the time.

Huge miss by Lexus.
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This is fantastic, thank you !!!!
PS: What's HUD? LOL

Fort9378 said:
I'm off work today so I'm using my powers for this effort. I think I captured most of the specs that matter. Anything that was the same across all platforms I left out. I'll add weight and payload once we get real weight numbers for the 250.

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Important to note that a lot of the tech stuff can be added as options on the Overtrail. I did the comparison using the base model of all of the above trims with no additional options.
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MeWantLC said:
Not sure I understand the question, but the table is making reference to the fact the OT and OT+ do not have AC vents in the 2nd and 3rd rows in the headliner, only 2 vents in the middle of the center console facing backwards, like the current 5th Gen T4R has, and so other vehicles, which is only an extension of the AC and controled by the front.

Totally a miss out from Lexus, and hopefully they will change it one day, since the OT and OT+ with KDSS are nice !







This is fantastic, thank you !!!!
PS: What's HUD? LOL
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Heads up display.

The climate zones are referring to the fact that the LC has temperature zone settings for the driver, passenger, and rear seats. The vents in the roof are just a symptom of that. According to Google only the 3 row GXs get rear zone control/vents.

I think that and some things like the digital rearview are symptoms of the GX having too many trims. They have to find a way to differentiate them and it means stupid things like that as well as Luxury and Premium not having EKDSS or a rear locker. The 250 benefits from only having 2.5 trims vs the GX's 6.
 
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MeWantLC said:
One key difference for yours truly is the OT and OT+ do not have AC vents on top 2 and 3rd rows. Silly, I know.... But the LC/LC has them.
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Do we know if the 1958 trim has 2nd/3rd row top vents?

I saw that the 1985 pre-production units, that reviewers drove, had them but not 100% sure if that's representative of final USDM production.
 
omgwtfbbq said:
Do we know if the 1958 trim has 2nd/3rd row top vents?

I saw that the 1985 pre-production units, that reviewers drove, had them but not 100% sure if that's representative of final USDM production.
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Doesn't look like they do.

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Maybe the GX will change as the LC100 did back then ... Or even the LC80, where some where fitted with rear AC, non-USA , models...

Fort9378 said:
Heads up display.

The climate zones are referring to the fact that the LC has temperature zone settings for the driver, passenger, and rear seats. The vents in the roof are just a symptom of that. According to Google only the 3 row GXs get rear zone control/vents.

I think that and some things like the digital rearview are symptoms of the GX having too many trims. They have to find a way to differentiate them and it means stupid things like that as well as Luxury and Premium not having EKDSS or a rear locker. The 250 benefits from only having 2.5 trims vs the GX's 6.
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If the LX is an indicator, it should not interfere with aftermarket suspension.
 
For us who don’t know, why is the smaller diff a problem if running 33s?
 
krice118 said:
For us who don’t know, why is the smaller diff a problem if running 33s?
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The fear of actually breaking the internal gears when rock crawling in 4 Low 1 with it locked.
Clearly Toyota has already tested this smaller diff under every conceivable scenario — but the concern remains.
 
4xfish said:
thoughts on the AVS on the OT?

durability/replacement cost/modding down the road/etc
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This is also an unknown for me as well. Aftermarket shocks on the AVS? I have a 2-1/2” front/1” rear lift with Bilstein shocks and springs on my KDSS 4 runner…Great combination for me on and off road in Colorado. Can the OT AVS system be modded mildly?
 
OSS said:
The fear of actually breaking the internal gears when rock crawling in 4 Low 1 with it locked.
Clearly Toyota has already tested this smaller diff under every conceivable scenario — but the concern remains.
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The GX has the larger diff right?
 
OSS said:
The fear of actually breaking the internal gears when rock crawling in 4 Low 1 with it locked.
Clearly Toyota has already tested this smaller diff under every conceivable scenario — but the concern remains.
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Shouldn't be a concern with 33s. 33 is essentially the stock tire size. Many vehicles have had the 8.2 without issue with tires of that size for years. It should really only be a concern going with 35s or bigger I would think.
 
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Fort9378 said:
Shouldn't be a concern with 33s. 33 is essentially the stock tire size. Many vehicles have had the 8.2 without issue with tires of that size for years. It should really only be a concern going with 35s or bigger I would think.
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I would like to think so but the more I chew on it the more I’m skeptical. Has Toyota ever put as much torque to an 8.2 diff as with the turbo hybrid? In 4L1 locked at full payload?

Where Land Cruisers have historically been overbuilt to capacities, with 9.5” rear diffs paired to vastly less torque, this decision seems out of step—especially for a design like the 1958 whose wheel wells and modular bumpers seem to beg aftermarket modification.

Time will tell.
 
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