4Wheel Underground FJ80 3Link....... Now available!!! ***A Full frontal attack***

[Delancy]

It's just the fact if your in this deep you are probably wheeling hardcore trails that require a 6+ inch lift. The bellies on these things are a big limiting factor.

I agree.

I'll add, though, that if you're elevated with any of the known "kits" out there and not trailering, there's more considerations than expense, flex, or any other.

It handles decent on the road. But it is not my DD.

Doesn't matter if DD, or not and "decent" is a fail, in my opinion.

If any are perfectly content with a 5-6" lifted 80, that wheels like a mo fo with any known, current, off the shelf offering, that can also contend there aren't attributes that may be concerning, on road, I am all ears.

Outside of Oz, the one and only foremost US authority on the 6" lifted 80 won't state that it's not without sacrifices in on road stability, an no other worthy of a favorable reputation that'll argue that.

The concept of "wheel within the confines of the platform" all sounds fine and good, until the point that the lifted platform hits 65-75mph rolling down the highway, when there's no argument that can be made for maintaining any resemblance to the OE configuration, because it was never intended to be altered to the degree it is at 5-6", with the half ass approaches available on the market, now.

Fine, you don't want a three link?

Spend the money to engineer and design a radius arm system that works:

Relocating axle
Correcting pinion angle
Housing fab to relocate mounts
Cut and turn knuckles
Decrease the angle of panhard
Decrease the angle of drag link
Coils that work
Shocks that coincide

Then, address the rear:

Relocating axle
Correcting pinion angle
Housing fab to relocate mounts
Decrease the angle of the rear links
Decrease the angle of the rear panhard
Coils that work
Shocks that coincide

Compare the time and expense of that endeavor to what's being offered here, IF one could find someone capable of producing, regardless the expense.

Knowing that the platform doesn't draw the big bucks that newer of the same badging or other manufactures altogether, you won't find it a viable endeavor and why there's no option available.

In my opinion, if 6" lift is the criteria and knowing what's known about acceptable geometry, a result of any known calculable measures and not butt dyno, how else is it possible BESIDES the product offering this man's putting out there?

I'm surprised that people have had a negative impression of coilovers.

You gotta be kidding me?

You're smarter than that.

If it costs more than $45 a pair, it'll get a bad rap.

It's the wandering and body roll feeling.

Anything short of complete mitigation of the above is a fail and I don't to give two chits how much it flexes, because if I'm trailering anything, it's not gonna be a station wagon.

Maybe I've drank too much of the the kool-aid, but if the results of calculators do, in fact, translate into a product that actually does minimize the ill effects of a lifted, capable wheeler, on road, then I sure do not see what the aversion to this is.

If it's solely based on expense, there are more expensive ways to do it cheaper.

 

[Delancy]

I can't steer at idle, in stock form currently, gotta blip the throttle to spin up the pump

That's open diff, no ram.

Something else is wrong, then.

 

[Booger weldz]

Anything short of complete mitigation of the above is a fail and I don't to give two chits how much it flexes, because if I'm trailering anything, it's not gonna be a station wagon.

Maybe I've drank too much of the the kool-aid, but if the results of calculators do, in fact, translate into a product that actually does minimize the ill effects of a lifted, capable wheeler, on road, then I sure do not see what the aversion to this is.

If it's solely based on expense, there are more expensive ways to do it cheaper.

In a nut shell, what's being done with the current 3links that isn't addressed in action Jackson's, or other early renditions, is the pseudo stock geometry is retained after the lift. The driving characteristics mimic stock (minus the big mean tires, etc) and the long links allow these parameters to occur with massive amounts of wheel travel and little change.

Add some fancy shock tuning and you have the potential to actually improve many aspects of the stock vehicle. Granted the huge tires and bead locks , etc throw a small turd in the punch bowl.

 

[Booger weldz]

Something else is wrong, then.

242,000 mile steering pumps output at 700 rpm

 

[Delancy]

Granted the huge tires and bead locks , etc throw a small turd in the punch bowl.

A small turd in the punch bowl beats drinking straight from the sewer.

 

[Wrench]

I've seen the flex shots of Action Jackson's set up, it is pretty impressive. Was it just a ramp champ? How well did it perform on the trail and street. I know shortly after doing the three link he bought a moon buggy and sold his rig. Is that a tell tale sign it sucked?

 

[Booger weldz]

I've seen the flex shots of Action Jackson's set up, it is pretty impressive. Was it just a ramp champ? How well did it perform on the trail and street. I know shortly after doing the three link he bought a moon buggy and sold his rig. Is that a tell tale sign it sucked?

I seriously DOUBT it sucked, but I don't doubt he couldn't drive down a bumpy twisty road at speed with his knee steering while reaching over to jiggle his wife's boobs.

That is my technical representation of suspension build success. You can change 'wife's boobs' to 'handing your kid food in the backseat' if more appropriate

 

[Booger weldz]

A small turd in the punch bowl beats drinking straight from the sewer.

One venerial wart is better than cauliflower penis !

 

[joez]

Yeah it wouldn't. I just can't see anyone in their right mined want a 3 link with a 2 inch lift.

Chalk me up as the one who only wants 2" of lift. The lower the better. My biggest limiting factor is a complete lack of flex in the front end, I have made the rear work well, even on 40's. Can't wait to order it.

 

[MyCruiserisaHogBeast]

I'm pretty amazing at the smack talking that's gone on here after 4WU delivered a product that this community has been asking for for a long time! I've been installing suspensions for a long time and this looks like it might be a great solution. I'm considering it for my upcoming build, but that's beside the point.

A dude comes on here with a nice product, if it's not for you why are you digging at it? Too expensive? Not for you. Don't like how you have the run the steering? Not for you. I think this statement:

It just has to do with where the panhard is and keeping it and the drag link parallel to each other. I built it that way because putting the draglink on top of the steering arm netted about 2"s less up travel because of the frame. So moving it down freed up more wheel travel.

is perfectly reasonable! He knows his product and that is how he recommends you use it. You can go against it and do whatever you want and have a Land Cruiser that drives like a Jeep if that makes you happy, but maybe again the product isn't for you.

Just my $.02 weather I go this direction of not: nice work 4WheelUnderground.

 

[jcardona1]

I'm pretty amazing at the smack talking that's gone on here after 4WU delivered a product that this community has been asking for for a long time! I've been installing suspensions for a long time and this looks like it might be a great solution. I'm considering it for my upcoming build, but that's beside the point.

A dude comes on here with a nice product, if it's not for you why are you digging at it? Too expensive? Not for you. Don't like how you have the run the steering? Not for you. I think this statement:
is perfectly reasonable! He knows his product and that is how he recommends you use it. You can go against it and do whatever you want and have a Land Cruiser that drives like a Jeep if that makes you happy, but maybe again the product isn't for you.

Just my $.02 weather I go this direction of not: nice work 4WheelUnderground.

Because that guy is a troll and all he does is talk s***.

 

[Delancy]

I don't doubt he couldn't drive down a bumpy twisty road at speed with his knee steering....

That is my technical representation of suspension build success

I've but one posing, which I think is the most understated aspect of what this, by the numbers and "geometry", nets.

Personally, my primary goal is predictability, stability, and handling improvements of the lifted platform on road.

I do not need any assistance in furthering my failure ratio or magnitude. I've done a fawking good job of that, on my own.

I bought into Brian's mission statement three years ago, when the first thread was started, based on experience and reputation amongst the mini crowd, and never been a time in history that my focus is in achieving a predictable on road ride in a lifted configuration. At that point, I offered to buy local for initial testing, that before I had any knowledge of lift woes.

The last time I'll ask, I promise.

Can I expect stability, predictable handling characteristics and mannerisms, controlled body roll and steering with this "kit", in conjunction with high steer?

 

[Booger weldz]

I've but one posing, which I think is the most understated aspect of what this, by the numbers and "geometry", nets.

Personally, my primary goal is predictability, stability, and handling improvements of the lifted platform on road.

I do not need any assistance in furthering my failure ratio or magnitude. I've done a fawking good job of that, on my own.

I bought into Brian's mission statement three years ago, when the first thread was started, based on experience and reputation amongst the mini crowd, and never been a time in history that my focus is in achieving a predictable on road ride in a lifted configuration. At that point, I offered to buy local for initial testing, that before I had any knowledge of lift woes.

The last time I'll ask, I promise.

Can I expect stability, predictable handling characteristics and mannerisms, controlled body roll and steering with this "kit", in conjunction with high steer?

Hell yes, but just to add icing to the cake, have your rear panhard at the axle lifted 5".

 

[Delancy]

Hell yes, but just to add icing to the cake, have your rear panhard at the axle lifted 5".

Redo the rear, too, was more along the lines of my thinking.

 

[maxamillion2345]

I seriously DOUBT it sucked, but I don't doubt he couldn't drive down a bumpy twisty road at speed with his knee steering while reaching over to jiggle his wife's boobs.

That is my technical representation of suspension build success. You can change 'wife's boobs' to 'handing your kid food in the backseat' if more appropriate

There's always a thirst for more. My guess is he outgrew his rig.

 

[nukegoat]

Hell yes, but just to add icing to the cake, have your rear panhard at the axle lifted 5".

Doesn't fix enough, IMO.

 

[Booger weldz]

Doesn't fix enough, IMO.

It's only a slight change in roll axis , but not having an angled panhard pushing on the chassis when going thru decent bumps is priceless.

 

[Delancy]

Doesn't fix enough, IMO.

Fix it all, or nothing, is my opinion and goal.

New tank?

So be it.

Holes in the floor?

So be it.

I'd love to make some snide ass comment about my mother being able to safely drive, but in the spirit of being self-centric, think I'll focus on myself.

 

[nukegoat]

Fix it all, or nothing, is my opinion and goal.

New tank?

So be it.

Holes in the floor?

So be it.

I'd love to make some snide ass comment about my mother being able to safely drive, but in the spirit of being self-centric, think I'll focus on myself.

Unlimited budget?

 

[Booger weldz]

Just buy a Tacoma!

Fix it all, or nothing, is my opinion and goal.

New tank?

So be it.

Holes in the floor?

So be it.

I'd love to make some snide ass comment about my mother being able to safely drive, but in the spirit of being self-centric, think I'll focus on myself.