47 Gallon Long Ranger Aux Tank installation USA 200 series... (1 Viewer)

[dtt255]

Ok well I decided I needed a larger tank...so I ordered the 48 gallon Aux tank from LongRanger in AU. So the total gallons would be 67.....

They were great to deal with....

Here is a link to the tank and their site:

http://thelongranger.com.au/ta65l/index.html

Now we KNEW there were going to be issues on the install.

First was the carbon canister which is above the spare tire on the US 200 series is under the drivers seat on the AUS models. So on the US versions it needs to be moved.

Now the ONLY place we could find to move it was behind the passenger seat and in front and above of the stock gas tank. It is a tight fit..but was done. Got tons of computer error codes when we first starter her back up...then we cleared them one time and all was good.

Now all the hoses had to be re-routed from the rear, where the original location was, to the new location. Took about 5-6 hours total.

Now...that was first issue fixed...

Next was getting the damn tank here....

Called AUS...spoke to Dave over there at Long Ranger. Got everything all setup. They made the tank for me and sent me an invoice....I wired the money, and a week later it was on it's way to me!

Took UPS about 5 days to get it to me....came via freight. UPS freight is a PITA to deal with, but it got here:

Once it was unpacked....it looked like this:

After we did a bed liner on it:

I wanted bed liner for various reasons. Wanted it black. Wanted an extra layer of protection.

Next started the install. Here is the OEM filler pipe, pulled from my baby:

Now at this point the extra fuel gauge and fuel pump were installed. No problems.

He went to test fit the tank....this is where we ran into issues.

The tubes and pipes that my guy rerouted, from the carbon canister, were not done far enough back, to avoid being crushed by the tank.

So he had to re-re-route the hoses farther back. This took time....

Had to mess with a bunch of other wires (trailer hitch) and hoses...... This took time....

Now this stuff was unavoidable from both Long Ranger and us....as these things are different on the US model VS the EU/AUS models. Since this was not done before on this model in the US, nobody knew this was going to happen.

Another difference is the appearance of an extra vapor hose attachment on the new dual filler pipe. This just needs to be routed to the carbon canister like the others.

One of the filler issues we ran into is that there is a size difference between the AUS/EU fuel/vapor pipes and the US fuel/vapor pipes. So they need to be reduced before they will work on the main US tank hookup. Not hard..but an annoyance.

Now I have a custom exhaust on my baby..it is hitting on the corner of the tank. So I need to have this fixed by adding a few 45 degree angles put in so it doesn't touch or be near the tank.

There is virtually NO ROOM above the tank before it hits the underside of the body. So ANY wires or hoses above the new tank area, need to be moved.

There are some fitment issues also with the bolts that hold in the tank. I cannot get into it now because we are not there yet.

Here is a pic of it mounted temporarily on....it will end up looking alot like this when done.

I will update as we progress......

 

[pdxlc200]

looking great!!!

 

[gearguywb]

Great idea...but sounds like a heck of a pita to install!

 

[jcmiro]

60+ gallons! Thats my dream. I have a 34gallon tank and it barely lasts me a week; even at $6.10 a gallon

 

[crazy1323]

Great News! Thanks for taking on this project! I would love to do this on my LX, but then where do I put a spare tire. I looked into the ARB rear tire carrier but with the location of the AHC components on the LX it wasn't going to happen. I am not looking to do anything that involves cutting more than some plastic bumpers.

Do they have a smaller tank that allows you to keep the spare in the stock location?

 

[jwestpro]

Do they have a smaller tank that allows you to keep the spare in the stock location?

Yes, they do. Go to the website and see the 4 different versions.

 

[patrickfinley]

Jeep just recalled a huge number of their vehicles because the gas tank was too close to the back of the vehicle. How far clear of the rear bumper is the tank? Do you feel it will safely crumple around the tank in the event of an accident?

Your a So-Cal guy like myself. What's your remote destination that you wanted the tank? Baja, Mojave or Mammoth Lakes without having to fill up?

 

[dtt255]

Great idea...but sounds like a heck of a pita to install!

It is not as straight forward as on the AUS models....thats for sure. but once the filler was cut out, we were comitted.

60+ gallons! Thats my dream. I have a 34gallon tank and it barely lasts me a week; even at $6.10 a gallon

34 gallons in your LC?!?!?

Great News! Thanks for taking on this project! I would love to do this on my LX, but then where do I put a spare tire. I looked into the ARB rear tire carrier but with the location of the AHC components on the LX it wasn't going to happen. I am not looking to do anything that involves cutting more than some plastic bumpers.

Do they have a smaller tank that allows you to keep the spare in the stock location?

No cutting anything but plastic??? No guts no glory!

 

[dtt255]

Jeep just recalled a huge number of their vehicles because the gas tank was too close to the back of the vehicle. How far clear of the rear bumper is the tank? Do you feel it will safely crumple around the tank in the event of an accident?

Your a So-Cal guy like myself. What's your remote destination that you wanted the tank? Baja, Mojave or Mammoth Lakes without having to fill up?

It seems to be 5-6 inches from the rear hitch steel frame....and that rear hitch steel frame is behind the Kaymar Steel bumper... then you have the 2-3 inch steel swing arms....so basically , 2 arms, 3 layers of bumper steel and 5-6 inches of blank space...

So yeah I feel comfortable.

If it gets through all that....hitting the tank is the least of my worries.


What is my destination.....away....just away.....

I can go 650 miles..without stopping....

Honestly I got so sick and tired of filling up every other day. Plus I got to Utah alot and I think it is damn funny that I can now go to Utah and not need to fill up

As my 13 year old said...Dad you can go 1/4 of the way around the country without filling up!! Thats kewl!!!! LOL

 

[patrickfinley]

Great News! Thanks for taking on this project! I would love to do this on my LX, but then where do I put a spare tire. I looked into the ARB rear tire carrier but with the location of the AHC components on the LX it wasn't going to happen. I am not looking to do anything that involves cutting more than some plastic bumpers.

Do they have a smaller tank that allows you to keep the spare in the stock location?

Yes, they do:
http://thelongranger.com.au/ta65s/index.html

 

[dtt255]

Next upgrade is Bjowett's brake kit...going to need it badly after this!

 

[patrickfinley]

It seems to be 5-6 inches from the rear hitch steel frame....and that rear hitch steel frame is behind the Kaymar Steel bumper... then you have the 2-3 inch steel swing arms....so basically , 2 arms, 3 layers of bumper steel and 5-6 inches of blank space...

That sounds like it'll do for sure! Seems like a rear steel bumper would be a good mod if you are considering an extra tank.

I can certainly see that once you have a nicely modded LC your going to start hitting the gas stations more frequently. This will certainly save that headache.

 

[dtt255]

That sounds like it'll do for sure!

I can certainly see that once you have a nicely modded LC your going to start hitting the gas stations more frequently. This will certainly save that headache.

I get 9-10 city and 12-3 hwy.....thats all. 19 gallons doesn't cut it.

 

[jwestpro]

I can go 650 miles..without stopping....

You should be able to go a lot further than 650. I have 50 gallons on the LR3 and can make it 800 no problem, 900 if I'm on the highway and stay under 65 mph.

 

[dtt255]

You should be able to go a lot further than 650. I have 50 gallons on the LR3 and can make it 800 no problem, 900 if I'm on the highway and stay under 65 mph.

How much does your LR3 weigh? My 200 weighs about 6000lbs without the tank. That will add another 350 when filled

Look at my stats I just posted.....at 12 mpg I am looking about 800 miles....So I am under estimating.....

 

[jwestpro]

How much does your LR3 weigh? My 200 weighs about 6000lbs without the tank. That will add another 350 when filled

Look at my stats I just posted.....at 12 mpg I am looking about 800 miles....So I am under estimating.....

Is there a problem with your vehicle? Why such low mpg? My lr3 weighs around 8000 lbs depending on the trip but at 8000+/-, I only get 13-16. It's not so much about the weight as I found out this summer, it's just as much about wind resistance due to roof items such as the Hannibal rack, awnings on side and rear, and especially the ARB roof tent.

With RTT removed and some other stuff inside, I got down to 6940 lbs. I was able to keep about 16-17 mpg at 60-65mph with rack on but side awning off.

So I went about rethinking what I needed and what I don't. The RTT is awesome for when staying at least a couple nights in a row. I removed it and the rack because I don't need anything on the rack absolutely. With nothing on the roof at all I can hold 18-20 mpg at 60-65mph. This is on I5 out and back, south Tacoma to north Seattle, 100 miles round trip.

It does make sense that wind resistance matters more at highway speeds such that the weight of underside protection or sliders is not nearly as important as what you have on the roof. In my case anyway. This week I plan to weigh in again with sliders reinstalled but nothing on the roof.

On board I have an ARB fridge (in place of center 2nd row seat), recovery gear like high lift and misc, ARB front bumper with winch but syn line, Kaymar rear with tire and 5g jerry can (full), Odessey 2150 battery, extra on board air compressor and tank, Rasta plates and radiator guards, Rover Specialties sliders that are 100 lbs each.

 

[dtt255]

Is there a problem with your vehicle? Why such low mpg? My lr3 weighs around 8000 lbs depending on the trip but at 8000+/-, I only get 13-16. It's not so much about the weight as I found out this summer, it's just as much about wind resistance due to roof items such as the Hannibal rack, awnings on side and rear, and especially the ARB roof tent.

With RTT removed and some other stuff inside, I got down to 6940 lbs. I was able to keep about 16-17 mpg at 60-65mph with rack on but side awning off.

So I went about rethinking what I needed and what I don't. The RTT is awesome for when staying at least a couple nights in a row. I removed it and the rack because I don't need anything on the rack absolutely. With nothing on the roof at all I can hold 18-20 mpg at 60-65mph. This is on I5 out and back, south Tacoma to north Seattle, 100 miles round trip.

It does make sense that wind resistance matters more at highway speeds such that the weight of underside protection or sliders is not nearly as important as what you have on the roof. In my case anyway. This week I plan to weigh in again with sliders reinstalled but nothing on the roof.

On board I have an ARB fridge (in place of center 2nd row seat), recovery gear like high lift and misc, ARB front bumper with winch but syn line, Kaymar rear with tire and 5g jerry can (full), Odessey 2150 battery, extra on board air compressor and tank, Rasta plates and radiator guards, Rover Specialties sliders that are 100 lbs each.

Funny you mentioned the roof mounted items. I took off my (4) 4" HID lights on top seeing if that would help, and it hasn't.

I have looked at almost everything. I honestly think it is a combination of roof stuff, tire size, weight, new headers, etc.... If you take off a bit for each, it adds up. Honestly the MOST I ever got out here in the CA desert area is 15 on the freeway consistently.

I DO know when I travel to AZ etc...I get better gas mileage. I also think it is the gas that we get out here.

 

[jwestpro]

Look at my stats I just posted.....at 12 mpg I am looking about 800 miles....So I am under estimating.....

Two things. Are you using E10 gas? I use pure gas which instantly gives me a 10% mpg advantage over E10. (I have found this to be true with each of my vehicles)

2nd, it is possible the Nitto tires have higher rolling resistance. I have the BFG AT which I've used almost exclusively since 1999.

I was sure the LC 200 would get better mpg than 12! Are you traveling at 80 mph mostly? I realize the speed limit here is only 60 until out of the metro areas but then it's still only 70. I really do not like getting tickets so I keep it under limit +5-9 unless I'm in the car with the escort 9500ci

What sort of mpg were you getting in stock/factory form?

 

[jwestpro]

Funny you mentioned the roof mounted items. I took off my (4) 4" HID lights on top seeing if that would help, and it hasn't.

I have looked at almost everything. I honestly think it is a combination of roof stuff, tire size, weight, new headers, etc.... If you take off a bit for each, it adds up. Honestly the MOST I ever got out here in the CA desert area is 15 on the freeway consistently.

I DO know when I travel to AZ etc...I get better gas mileage. I also think it is the gas that we get out here.

Yes, It does all ad up. For me the huge change was the Hannibal rack plus side and rear awnings. It must be the trailing air stream that also has a lot to do with the drag.
Speed matters a lot too. Above 70 mph and my mpg drops a lot. Sustain 80mph and it will hit 13 no problem.

I swear though that if you drive the LC more gently, it could do better. My LC new car test drives have shown 20 mpg on a highway out and back at 60-65-70 mph on the computer with E10.

 

[dtt255]

Two things. Are you using E10 gas? I use pure gas which instantly gives me a 10% mpg advantage over E10. (I have found this to be true with each of my vehicles)

2nd, it is possible the Nitto tires have higher rolling resistance. I have the BFG AT which I've used almost exclusively since 1999.

I was sure the LC 200 would get better mpg than 12! Are you traveling at 80 mph mostly? I realize the speed limit here is only 60 until out of the metro areas but then it's still only 70. I really do not like getting tickets so I keep it under limit +5-9 unless I'm in the car with the escort 9500ci

What sort of mpg were you getting in stock/factory form?

I use regular 87 octane as I never saw in increase in the premium. I don't have a clue where I would get 'pure gas' or even what that really means, but you have peaked my interest.

The Nitto's are gone...using Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac now.

and about my driving.....not going to reveal alot...but I will say that your 80 is close and for my protection....I have a PASSPORT 9500ci installed also with a much better last system front and rear then that crappy one that comes with the ci They like laser out here