4130 beef mod lower controle arm (1 Viewer)

[alaskacruiser]

You guys are hilarious. I have learned that complainers are usually jealous or unhappy with things on-subject. I've received so many positive comments on those bumpers you guys just make me laugh. ;p

I'm sure you guys could really find all kinds of faults with my 100? Man, I can imagine. Go ahead. I know what I got and that's all that matters. Knock yourselves out. Wanna trade straight up.

Shotts- I can (maybe) understand your extreme defensiveness when it comes to the 80 vs. 100 threads, but this is ridiculous. First of all, most ppl were complaining about the welds on your control arm reinforcement mods, not your bumpers. Try reading what AMMO wrote again:

"The sign of a crappy weld = a weak weld... You can plate it all ya want but if the weld doesn't hold because it didn't penetrate then what good is it?"

And CharlieS:
"My thoughts exactly. I've only taken one welding class, but our instructor would've made us do work that looked like that over. One trip to the press to prove a point about weak welds and I got the point. Any gomer with a mig welder can gob on wire like that picture. A good weldor would have a nice weld with good penetration and, odds are, make it look decent too."

They are certainly not jealous of the work done on your vehicle, they are simply pointing out some shoddy work that could use some improvement- sloppy welds with poor penetration are weak, get it? Try learning to accept constructive criticism instead of assuming everyone is just jealous of your "superior" rig. Please, don't kid yourself.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

No thanks on the trade. I'm quite happy with my exisiting selection of vehicles.

Charlie

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Shotts- I can (maybe) understand your extreme defensiveness when it comes to the 80 vs. 100 threads, but this is ridiculous. First of all, most ppl were complaining about the welds on your control arm reinforcement mods, not your bumpers. Try reading what AMMO wrote again:

"The sign of a crappy weld = a weak weld... You can plate it all ya want but if the weld doesn't hold because it didn't penetrate then what good is it?"

And CharlieS:
"My thoughts exactly. I've only taken one welding class, but our instructor would've made us do work that looked like that over. One trip to the press to prove a point about weak welds and I got the point. Any gomer with a mig welder can gob on wire like that picture. A good weldor would have a nice weld with good penetration and, odds are, make it look decent too."

They are certainly not jealous of the work done on your vehicle, they are simply pointing out some shoddy work that could use some improvement- sloppy welds with poor penetration are weak, get it? Try learning to accept constructive criticism instead of assuming everyone is just jealous of your "superior" rig. Please, don't kid yourself.

1. There's a way to bring up the fact that one's opinion of the plate welds is that they might not hold.
2. There's a wrong way to bring that up too. Read the thread.
3. Those plate welds and arms have stood up to amazing abuse. In the 100 in Moab's Golden Spike I discovered we cut them too long and they hung up in places where they shouldn't. We banged them so badly climbing ledges the 3/8 bent over (where it was too long) but the WELDS held.
It's obvious the comments on this thread about his welds were dimeaning.

Oh, and you read AMMO's quote again.....the "that's why it was only $300 for that work". That's the bumper amount. That was the comment I was LMAO over.

 

[CharlieS]

Sorry, forgot who I was talking to.

You're right. Everyone else is a moron, you and those that work on your rigs are the best. 100s rock and 80s suck.

If you get a chance - you might want to look up the term hubris - I think you'll find the definition says "See Shotts."

Cheers

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

BTW...I thought I'd point out the reason the welds look like that:

In between the 3/8" plate and the arm mount, are smaller steel pieces that were used as shims so the plate would transfer equal force to the entire arm mount. If you look, the arm mounts are not "even". With this guy being a perferctionist, he shimmed it up rather than having the plate sit crooked against the mount. This will make sense when you see the pics and will explain why the plate sits out from the mount.

The bumpers are amazing. They allow me to take lines off-road like nothing else. He even made them removable for painting and/or servicing. I've repainted them MANY times as they get trashed.

He did all the lifts on both trucks, the mods, the painting, installations, and even the front diff-drop on the 100 before anybody even heard of a mod. Doron designed it and he and I did it to our 100's. That required crossmember cutting and rewelding. Dang, it's held up too.

In print this may sound defensive. In reality it's not. I'm bragging about how lucky I am to have met this guy. He's done many of other friends' trucks too. I can't take credit...but he can.

 

[BRKLYN1]

ladys please calm down, yes welds on that controle arm perch that Shotts shared with us, looked like poodle poo but i bet they hold up for thier intended task. on my controle arm mod I TIG weld them with lovely beads but even the origanal welds by toyota looked poopish. that said i don't think they will break. can't we all get along and go back to enjoying our 80s. and the fact is 100s are GAY

 

[CharlieS]

BRKLYN1,

Back to the original topic ...

Your control arm mod looks great. I may do the same thing to mine after seeing how clean yours looks.

Love those welds! Isn't TIG awesome? Wish I could afford/justify a TIG welder. I have to go to a friend's shop when I want to use one, so I end up using my MIG more.

Have a good weekend guys.

Charlie

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

Sorry, forgot who I was talking to.

You're right. Everyone else is a moron, you and those that work on your rigs are the best. 100s rock and 80s suck.

If you get a chance - you might want to look up the term hubris - I think you'll find the definition says "See Shotts."

Cheers

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

BRKLYN1,

Back to the original topic ...

Your control arm mod looks great. I may do the same thing to mine after seeing how clean yours looks.

Love those welds! Isn't TIG awesome? Wish I could afford/justify a TIG welder. I have to go to a friend's shop when I want to use one, so I end up using my MIG more.

Have a good weekend guys.

Charlie

His bumper looks even better. The people that can do this stuff make me sick. All I can do is drive the things.

Oh, and 100's are gay. They make me gay.

 

[semlin]

ok i have no iron in the latest schott firestorm/thread hijack

Brooklyn, I like those arms. now go make some front arms

 

[BRKLYN1]

There is a way to have a cheap TIG welder. You can buy an air cooled TIG torch (with a gas flow valve) and clamp it to a typical stick welder. You will have to scratch start you welds, but for thick truck style welding it does not matter so much. You will still need a tank of argon and a regulator(like the one on your mig and you can mig with argon, it just costs a little more).

 

[sleeoffroad]

With this guy being a perferctionist

This statement and the weld does not go together.

 

[BRKLYN1]

as a rooky i need the skippy on "ShottsUZJ100" as thier seems to be a very big reaction to him, and his posting? a nickle for thaughts.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

as a rooky i need the skippy on "ShottsUZJ100" as thier seems to be a very big reaction to him, and his posting? a nickle for thaughts.

Skinny? In the 80 forum?

The "80 Forum Skinny" is:

I was the first to post things like:
"An equally modified 100 can run the trails that an 80 can except where it wouldn't fit". Another way I said it was "that a 100 could run 95% of the trails an 80 could. It's not IFS that is the main limiter of the 100, but it's larger size."

It's those statements that caused all sorts of hate email (and anthrax in my mailbox ) from non-100 owners. I based my remarks on the fact that I own both rigs and wheel both on the same trails. The fact was that the 100 did everything the 80 did and we're talking up to 4-rated trails. There were a few lines it couldn't take because of size but not because of IFS.

The hate mail stopped after I ran Golden Spike. The 100 did great and handled the trail every bit as handily as the other Cruisers. In fact, other owners who have modified their 100s and wheeled it are making the same claims now. Time has told the 100 off-road tale, though the fact it is so capable still really iritates some non-100 owners. Why? I have no idea. If they had one and modified it and wheeled it they too would join the club. They'd feel like me....that the 80 has the edge off-road though the gap is CLOSE. Heck, even the GX has proved itself with FourWheeler's Trailex. And better yet, Amando is running the Rubicon in his '99 as we read. GO AMANDO! I'm concerned for the 100's body on that trail because it's huge....we'll see how he does.

Now, some just get on me for other things. I find it fun on the forum to poke back and forth though with words rather than speech it's easy to get things misunderstood.

There you have it.....the Shotts Skinny.
(And here comes the hate mail )

 

[landtank]

the true skinny is that he has his point of view and is obnoxious about it.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

the true skinny is that he has his point of view and is obnoxious about it.

Yep. Sometimes.
It's all in fun though!

 

[alaskacruiser]

The scoop on Shotts:

1. Cannot accept any kind of criticism (of his 100, work done on his rig, etc.) without a childish retort. Look at his prior posts on 80 vs. 100 threads- Shotts is never wrong and is always the winner of a debate (although only in his own mind).

2. Is quite arrogant about his 100 and assumes those who don't like his 100 are just jealous. I find this one really funny.

3. Example: Just look at his post about AMMO's and CharlieS' comments being "dimeaning" (sic). Both were commenting on the obviously sloppy welding job, and Shotts took it personally instead of accepting the criticism. Believe you me, there is no way AMMO or CharlieS could have worded their comments in a way such that Shotts would have said "yes, the welds could have been done better".

4. Claims "it's all in good fun" when, from the tone of his posts, he obviously takes things very personally.

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

The scoop on Shotts:

1. Cannot accept any kind of criticism (of his 100, work done on his rig, etc.) without a childish retort. Look at his prior posts on 80 vs. 100 threads- Shotts is never wrong and is always the winner of a debate (although only in his own mind).

2. Is quite arrogant about his 100 and assumes those who don't like his 100 are just jealous. I find this one really funny.

3. Example: Just look at his post about AMMO's and CharlieS' comments being "dimeaning" (sic). Both were commenting on the obviously sloppy welding job, and Shotts took it personally instead of accepting the criticism. Believe you me, there is no way AMMO or CharlieS could have worded their comments in a way such that Shotts would have said "yes, the welds could have been done better".

4. Claims "it's all in good fun" when, from the tone of his posts, he obviously takes things very personally.

You need to watch "The Factor" so you can be more fair and balanced.

I've NEVER cut anybody's ride, mod or the like. That's where I differ from many. When somebody tells me I got ripped on my 80 bumpers when they only cost me $300, or the 100 sucks because it's IFS, or blah blah, then they're being the wacko not me.

I'm off now. I have 12+ rigs joining me (this childish and arrogant person) on tomorrows run. Great people and great time. Cruisers Jeepers and Rovers. To each their own (and I've never personally criticized anybody's ride). OK, H2's.

Oh, and you should ask someone from Cruiser Moab about me. I don't think those words come to their minds.

 

[semlin]

schotts is like the guy in the monty python argument sketch. a nice guy but, as he will shortly demonstrate, he has the most severe case of lastworditis I have ever seen on the internet (and, I predict, no sense of irony). Topics to avoid discussing with Schotts at all costs include the merits of the 100 series, the merits of the 80 series, IFS in general and the new FJ cruiser

The argument sketch (abridged)

M: Ah. I'd like to have an argument, please.
R: Certainly sir. Have you been here before?
M: No, I haven't, this is my first time.
R: I see. Well, do you want to have just one argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?
M: Well, what is the cost?
R: Well, It's one pound for a five minute argument, but only eight pounds for a course of ten.
M: Well, I think it would be best if I perhaps started off with just the one and then see how it goes.
R: Fine. Well, I'll see who's free at the moment.
Pause
R: Mr. DeBakey's free, but he's a little bit conciliatory.
Ahh yes, Try Mr. Barnard; room 12.
M: Thank you.

(Walk down the corridor)
M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did.
M: You most certainly did not.
A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you.
M: No you did not.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't.
A: Did.
M: Oh look, this isn't an argument.
A: Yes it is.
M: No it isn't. It's just contradiction.
A: No it isn't.
M: It is!
A: It is not.
M: Look, you just contradicted me.
A: I did not.
M: Oh you did!!
A: No, no, no.
M: You did just then.
A: Nonsense!
M: Oh, this is futile!
A: No it isn't.
M: I came here for a good argument.
A: No you didn't; no, you came here for an argument.
M: An argument isn't just contradiction.
A: It can be.
M: No it can't. An argument is a connected series of statements intended to establish a proposition.
A: No it isn't.
M: Yes it is! It's not just contradiction.
A: Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
M: Yes, but that's not just saying 'No it isn't.'
A: Yes it is!
M: No it isn't!

A: Yes it is!
M: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.
(short pause)
A: No it isn't.
M: It is.
A: Not at all.
M: Now look.
A: (Rings bell) Good Morning.
M: What?
A: That's it. Good morning.
M: I was just getting interested.
A: Sorry, the five minutes is up.
M: That was never five minutes!
A: I'm afraid it was.
M: It wasn't.
Pause
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue anymore.
M: What?!
A: If you want me to go on arguing, you'll have to pay for another five minutes.
M: Yes, but that was never five minutes, just now. Oh come on!
A: (Hums)
M: Look, this is ridiculous.
A: I'm sorry, but I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid!
M: Oh, all right.
(pays money)
A: Thank you.
short pause
M: Well?
A: Well what?
M: That wasn't really five minutes, just now.
A: I told you, I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid.
M: I just paid!
A: No you didn't.
M: I DID!
A: No you didn't.
M: Look, I don't want to argue about that.
A: Well, you didn't pay.
M: Aha. If I didn't pay, why are you arguing? I Got you!
A: No you haven't.
M: Yes I have. If you're arguing, I must have paid.
A: Not necessarily. I could be arguing in my spare time.
M: Oh I've had enough of this.
A: No you haven't.
M: Oh Shut up.

 

[semlin]

now compare that sketch to Schotts in this thread

https://forum.ih8mud.com/showthread.php?t=35306