Markuson
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Ya, wasn't sure the offset. Perhaps wishful thinking I think 40 might be just about perfect for 35's.
34's on stock setup - it's done, now some advice...
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Ya, wasn't sure the offset. Perhaps wishful thinking I think 40 might be just about perfect for 35's.
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I saw a website somewhere that took tire height into account when calculating optimal offset. Iirc +40 or 42 was ideal for a 34, so probably +36 to +38 for a 35
I totally agree, perfect offset for the 200 is right in that 35 to 40 to run a 35x12.50. I have these wheels on my 100 series (they came with it, I don't like the look of them much) they are 18x8.5 with a 35mm offset, perfect for running a 12.5 tire IMO. It's that happy balance between keeping it away from the innards but also not going too far out!
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I considered this route but I figure when I move the wheels back and forth it'll fall off the jack.
I might take a 2x12 cut into various lengths and create a makeshift ramp. Working in our NYC office this week so I won't get a chance to test it out again until next when I'm back home
If I get a chance some day I'll slap some 35's on these wheels on my 100 series with a 35 offset and then slap them on the 200 and see how they workout.
Taco2Cruiser
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Seems like iron man is like Olive Garden.
It's pretty good... for the price.
I've personally never had iron man, just two friends try them. It was the cheap factor that got them to try it. They both blew shocks after about a year. But I guess they have come a long way now, since you are having ok results.
I've ran quite a lot of regular OME nitro shocks, never had a truck ride rough or uncontrolled. In fact, I think they are pretty great compared to Icons, kings, sway away, fox, and now BPs.
It might be too hard to compare suspensions between a tundra and a 200. The rear end alone, leaf spring with an open c channel frame with upright shocks vs a 4link with panhard with fully boxed frame, coils, and steep angled shocks are very different feeling suspensions in themselves.
To each their own, but either way, good to hear real world reviews from someone who we all know wheels hard.
Definitely helps more people make a better decision on future suspension purchases.
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Olive Garden has got some damn good breadstix
I've never felt out of control at all with the Ironman's, just ride a bit harsher over certain terrains than I would maybe like, but nothing worse than what I've experienced in all of my OME kits in the past. Trying to describe how a suspension rides and handles is damn near impossible, it's so subjective and too many variables! I can tell you that is does the job we bought it for and we have no buyers remorse at all. I had 3 basic criteria when searching for a suspension, number 1 was durability and longevity! I wanted to install a suspension and then proceed to beat the hell out of it and not think about it. 50k and 2.5 years later I have not touched it at all. My second criteria was price, I wanted something affordable, most of our "Cruiser fund" is actual spent on gas for our wheelin adventures, so I wanted something affordable. And 3rd I wanted it to handle better than stock and give me more control off road. All 3 of these criteria were met with the Ironman kit and it's still going strong! When I pickup my next 200 series I will roll a different kit, not necessarily because I don't like the Ironman kit, but because I believe in trying new stuff, which was also one of the reason's I ended up with the Ironman kit. I had run Old Man Emu for 20 years, was time to branch out!
I've had the Ironman suspension from the time I bought mine at 60k until now at 127k. Weren't too many options back then, and this kit came recommended and cheap compared to the other few options out there. One thing I like about them is that they lift the truck a bit more than the standard lift kits, and that was at least somewhat important to me.
Ive been very happy but recognize that there are probably better options for certain situations... for a lot more money. I'd say the weak point is handling mid-speed rough terrain, like 15 - 20 mph washboard kind of stuff. I don't run into that here on the east coast much if ever, but do notice a bit of a rough bumpy ride in the few scenarios I've run into. Anything outside of that scenario, I really can't see anything to complain about? It is subjective though as many have mentioned... I tend to like a firmer suspension than many.
Ive been very happy but recognize that there are probably better options for certain situations... for a lot more money. I'd say the weak point is handling mid-speed rough terrain, like 15 - 20 mph washboard kind of stuff. I don't run into that here on the east coast much if ever, but do notice a bit of a rough bumpy ride in the few scenarios I've run into. Anything outside of that scenario, I really can't see anything to complain about? It is subjective though as many have mentioned... I tend to like a firmer suspension than many.
No doubt about ironman. I've got Ironman stuff on my 100 and it performs as good as much higher priced alternatives but yes there are still even more expensive options that perform better on mid speed washboard or have flexibility to be adjusted for the desired usage. That's really the main thing Ironman can't do is be dialed in to user preference. That being said it is an untouchable value proposition and my 100 has seen plenty of action on the shock side of things with them holding up just fine. At their price point there's nothing else I'd consider. Really unless I was getting into Icon or BP-51 $$$ territory there is not much else I would consider.
@linuxgod your setup looks great! Ridge Graps are def louder than Revos etc but also way more aggressive. They are definitely at the other end of the ever widening "A/T" range. We were very pleased how the Ridge Graps performed recently on our big trip which saw medium mud, sharp rocks, 6" deep loose cinder pebbles, straight up desert sand and lava fields. They never gave up grip and carried the load well.
@linuxgod your setup looks great! Ridge Graps are def louder than Revos etc but also way more aggressive. They are definitely at the other end of the ever widening "A/T" range. We were very pleased how the Ridge Graps performed recently on our big trip which saw medium mud, sharp rocks, 6" deep loose cinder pebbles, straight up desert sand and lava fields. They never gave up grip and carried the load well.
@mcgaskins I'm running the same OME spring setup as you and swapping out my 18s for 17s and would like to go with 34s. With running 285/75/17 was the KDSS relocation & SPC UCAs necessary or just precautionary work on your part - I have heard about occasional but not show stopper rubbing? Thanks!
The UCAs were done before I bought the truck, and I added the KDSS relocation when I was on 35s prior to these 34s. I honestly don't know if they'd be needed to run these tires, but adjustable UCAs are always a good idea to dial in the alignment. I would try without the KDSS relocation then add later if needed.
I run 34's(285/70 R18) and didn't need the KDSS relocation dealeo. But I roll wheels with a 20mm offset so that's proly helping me out a bit also. And my 34's measure just a bit over 33 on the rig, I seem to remember Slee calculating that any tire with a measurement over 33.7(actual mounted measurement) would need the relocation kit.
@kreiten - I plan on 34.06x11.1 on 40mm offset (evo corse dakarzero) - I'm hoping with minor trimming up front (already replaced bumper) I hope to be good - I heard about occasional KDSS rubbing even w 35s but not real facts. @sleeoffroad - would trimming out the tight spot up front fender well (back-side of front) work or per kreiten am I in need of relocation kit - my 200 goods are mostly Slee purchased - so helpful words appreciated - just picked up 2724 to replace my 2723s last week
@kreiten - I plan on 34.06x11.1 on 40mm offset (evo corse dakarzero) - I'm hoping with minor trimming up front (already replaced bumper) I hope to be good - I heard about occasional KDSS rubbing even w 35s but not real facts. @sleeoffroad - would trimming out the tight spot up front fender well (back-side of front) work or per kreiten am I in need of relocation kit - my 200 goods are mostly Slee purchased - so helpful words appreciated - just picked up 2724 to replace my 2723s last week
I'm here to say; a 35 still rubs. Real Fact.
FWIW I think 9 inch Et 35 is about perfect..... assuming a 12.5 or approx width.
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@kreiten - I plan on 34.06x11.1 on 40mm offset (evo corse dakarzero) - I'm hoping with minor trimming up front (already replaced bumper) I hope to be good - I heard about occasional KDSS rubbing even w 35s but not real facts. @sleeoffroad - would trimming out the tight spot up front fender well (back-side of front) work or per kreiten am I in need of relocation kit - my 200 goods are mostly Slee purchased - so helpful words appreciated - just picked up 2724 to replace my 2723s last week
The Nitto Ridge Grappler 285/75R17 is 33.8" x 11.2" by spec. The sidewall says 34" x 11.5". I did a quick left-to-right tape measurement at ~42psi and it seemed more like 33.2 to 33.3" to me when mounted. I don't feel or hear it hit the KDSS, and when parked under full lock there's about 1/2" of clearance - but there is a spot on the KDSS bar where the dust has rubbed off, so I assume under full lock and some motion (maybe reverse, maybe a right turn) the tire must rub the arm ever so slightly. For me it's not something I would worry about, but if you went with a larger tire you likely would need to deal with it. Keep in mind I'm running +25 offset wheels, so if you're running +40 you may have more rubbing.
On 35s I'm sure you'd need the KDSS relo kit. Frankly I can't imagine getting 35s under the LC without significant effort. Front bumper, serious lift, KDSS relo, and a major alignment effort. I know slee did it for @Markuson, but I can tell you that without pushing the caster significantly positive you're going to rub the frame at the rear side of the front tires when turning, not to mention all over the body under the mud flaps, the front bumpers, etc. I have maybe an inch of clearance between my tire and the frame, though the +25 offset wheels probably exascerbate the problem slightly due to the wider circumference of the wheel edge when turning.
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It appears +45 offset with a 34x11.5" tire will give you the same scrub radius as the 285/70R17 setup on RWs that Toyota recommends:
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets
Rim & Tire Size Calculator. Custom Offsets
I don't rub on the frame, just about everywhere else. UCAs and a KDSS relocation are basically a must if you want to TRY to avoid rubbing. And chances are you'll still rub somewhere. But the tradeoffs can be worth it depending on the individual.
Good call - just ordered one up.
