300 series rumors??? (8 Viewers)

[ckkone]

The new defender specs @indycole you guys talking about - anyone have a link?

Yes and I will gladly turn this into a Land Rover thread...

Offered with a base model that has steel wheels, Mr. Toyota must be wondering what the hell they are thinking...

Defender | Embrace the Impossible. Since 1948. | Unstoppable 4x4 Vehicles

The most iconic and capable 4x4s. Discover the full range now, each offering unique personality and features. Explore Defender today.

www.landroverusa.com

 

[studawg]

Yes and I will gladly turn this into a Land Rover thread...

Offered with a base model that has steel wheels, Mr. Toyota must be wondering what the hell they are thinking...

Thanks for posting that. Wow. After watching it I now know that I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in the new Defender.

 

[ckkone]

haha, I have no plans on selling my 200 to get one...

 

[hammerheadfistpunch]

The new defender specs @indycole you guys talking about - anyone have a link?

Their build is up on their site and they have a 100+ page brochure you can download. The specs, as is normally the case, look fantastic, but its the rest of the experience that is the trouble.

 

[CharlieS]

I just built one on their site and all decked out with LOTS of accessories, it is $90K. I think I'd spend the money on a cruiser heritage edition at this point. I hope they're popular so I can pick one up used in a few years.

 

[tincan45]

This is always an interesting conversation. Corporate interests and consumer interests are very hard to align.

On the corporate side (Objective):

• Economy of scale and production
• Regulation (Worldwide)
• Wall Street (Shareholders)
• Supply Chain (Distribution/Markets)

On the consumer side (Subjective):

• Price
• QDR (Quality Dependability Reliability)
• Utility
• Coolness (or whatever makes you feel good)

Jeep is one that has actually done a good job building on consumer interests. But even jeep beginning to price themselves out of their own market. The key for jeeps and I would argue land cruisers is aftermarket supply chain. Jeeps have a phenomenal after market supply chain and jeep has done well to engage those vendors. Toyota simply doesn't get it.

My solution:

Make a very bare bones affordable platform that meets all the regulations and will sell at a price that will make shareholders happy, and also offer consumers enough incentive to buy "new". Follow that up with massive aftermarket support and I think they could develop an ecosystem that could survive even in a highly regulated and litigious environment.

$.02

 

[99Cruiser]

Wow. Land Rover getting inspiration from the Kia Soul and Honda Element. I guess we only have to live down the Highlander comments.

 

[PhiloCruiser]

This sounds like the same guy who does voice-overs for the nature shows...I kept waiting for a Zebra (zeh-brah) to walk out and narrowly escape the jaws of a jaguar (jag-ewer). My LR was a POS...you can put lipstick on a pig forever but I've wised up to this stuff.

 

[turbo8]

This sounds like the same guy who does voice-overs for the nature shows...I kept waiting for a Zebra (zeh-brah) to walk out and narrowly escape the jaws of a jaguar (jag-ewer). My LR was a POS...you can put lipstick on a pig forever but I've wised up to this stuff.

He was one of the former hosts of Top Gear and one of the current hosts of The Grand Tour on Amazon.

 

[Markuson]

Yes and I will gladly turn this into a Land Rover thread...

Offered with a base model that has steel wheels, Mr. Toyota must be wondering what the hell they are thinking...

Defender | Embrace the Impossible. Since 1948. | Unstoppable 4x4 Vehicles

The most iconic and capable 4x4s. Discover the full range now, each offering unique personality and features. Explore Defender today.

www.landroverusa.com

So I guess this explains why Honda quit making their boxier Pilot... Land arover rebadged it and quadrupled the price tag! Lol...

Wow. Land Rover getting inspiration from the Kia Soul and Honda Element. I guess we only have to live down the Highlander comments.

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Ha! I was about to post the Honda Pilot...2013ish...

 

[VooDoo2]

Toyota 300 Series Land Cruiser likely to get diesel hybrid system

Toyota may use a hybrid system to the 300 Series Land Cruiser as Australian execs confirm company's commitment to diesel. Read more at WhichCar.

www.whichcar.com.au

 

[HDJdreams]

“Over the past 12 months 99.6 per cent of 200 Series Land Cruiser sales have been for the 4.5-litre twin-turbo diesel, prompting Toyota Australia to cease importation of the 4.6-litre petrol V8 (it has already been removed from the website and downloadable online brochure).”

 

[nuclearn8]

The 300 has no choice but to be a hybrid or EV to remain competitive in a volume based sales market moving towards lower CO2 emissions. Ya have to living under a rock to think otherwise.... every major automobile manufacturer is moving in this direction and for good reason for the long term sustainability and mobility of the planet and ever increasing population. It is literally in Toyotas vision and mission statements for sustainable mobility. The Rivian R1S is the LC300's primary competition in the 75-100K pricepoint. Heck with ford's investment in Rivian I can easily see a EV Bronco based on the Rivian skateboard that would absolutely dominate the offroad market, including the Wrangler fanatics.

 

[OregonLC]

I'm not sure that the markets where the LC primarily plays espouse the same 'green' values as some Americans. There, durability and capability triumph. Though fuel econ / range concerns would definitely be universal.

 

[bloc]

Make a very bare bones affordable platform that meets all the regulations and will sell at a price that will make shareholders happy, and also offer consumers enough incentive to buy "new".

AKA the "4Runner"

 

[slowride]

Well, I guess all of us in the USA will be keeping our 200's for a while...

We can gaze upon the diesel 300's happily traversing far off foreign landscapes via youtube...

We were probably lucky to have had the 200 here (USA) selling at a rate off 3,000 - 4,000 units per year, is a rounding error to Toyoda...

 

[Markuson]

I'm not sure that the markets where the LC primarily plays espouse the same 'green' values as some Americans. There, durability and capability triumph. Though fuel econ / range concerns would definitely be universal.

I keep waiting for the EPA to say no more of these...because their “MPG” or emissions aren’t green enough...

 

[CharlieS]

AKA the "4Runner"

After years of Landcruisers, I bought a 4Runner limited figuring it must be "close enough". Wrong!! Bad decision. My wife drove it for a while while I replaced it with a 100 series. Anyone at corporate that thinks the 4Runner is the same as a Landcruiser (no matter how stripped out), has another thing coming.

 

[bloc]

After years of Landcruisers, I bought a 4Runner limited figuring it must be "close enough". Wrong!! Bad decision. My wife drove it for a while while I replaced it with a 100 series. Anyone at corporate that thinks the 4Runner is the same as a Landcruiser (no matter how stripped out), has another thing coming.

And therein lies the issue. You want a toyota quality SUV for 40k? You get a 4Runner.

You want a landcruiser quality SUV? You pay 80-90k.

And in the US that SUV (and I’d argue any SUV by toyota) will NEVER have a diesel unless toyota decides to destroy their business on purpose.

 

[CharlieS]

Devils advocate (and I think what Ward was saying) if they offered a more modest build of the Landcruiser platform with more of a "stripped out" setup, they could probably offer it for a more reasonable price. The whole ethos of leather stem to stern and every gadget in the book has to add a ton of unnecessary cost. Even an iForce v8 powered utility version with cloth seating and minimal gadgetry would be a welcome choice for a lot of us.

Look at this new Land Rover defender that starts in the 40's and can easily be optioned up to 90k. No reason Toyota couldn't do similar (except that isn't how Toyota rolls).