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If I was in the US right now, I think my favorite out of all the 3 announced levels is the 1958.
Not sure what we will get in the Middle East yet so can't compare directly.

I like the round lights more than rectangular ones.

What about you?
Which do you think will sell more
round or rectangular?
 
I was curious about complete dimensions since Toyota only published the LC 250 dimensions for the length, width (with mirrors) and height. Previously I had calculated some of the missing dimensions for the GX 550 to get a complete picture. Below I've combined the known information and calculated the missing information. I'm pleasantly surprised to see it is the same length as the 4Runner. Please let me know if you see any errors in my calculations.

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Note: The length dimension "w/ trl hitch" and "w/o trl hitch" refers to the ~3" trailer hitch rear bumper cover.
 
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From having a Hybrid Toyota with the same 1.9 kwh NIMH battery, they never really "run out" of battery. We took ours to the north rim of the GC, up Vail Pass, up Loveland Pass, etc. It never dropped below 2 bars of battery and never ran out of electric assist. The second you let up on the throttle the gas motor starts sending electricity/charge back to the battery so it stays charged. It was literally charging as we were going uphill on Loveland. If it can pull Loveland like that, IMO it should be fine for just about any kind of scenario short of a full-throttle run at max towing capacity.

IMO the hybrid charge issue is overrated - a hybrid is vastly superior to a gas-only motor in most circumstances. I just wish the motor was a N/A V6 instead of a turbo 4.
 
Specialeyes said:
Why are some folks so put off by smaller displacement, electric, and hybrid technology? I don't see why they cannot be just as reliable as their outgoing NA models. The power is there and if the fuel economy is improved (especially to the tune of 27mpg) that's a huge win IMO. For those talking about working on them in the middle of nowhere... even the more recent v8's aren't exactly simple to work on for any average joe. The local dealer I have been using for service only has two technicians who are qualified to work on Land Cruisers. I was told nobody else in the shop is allowed to even do an oil change on them.

So is it just a matter of preference or opinion? Are you not comfortable enough in your own skin to say "I drive a hybrid."?
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60% opinion
All the resources dedicated to designing, testing and building a new engine (many hundreds of millions of $)
All the resources to create a hybrid system (many tens of millions $)
All the time, resources, brain power used to implement and test a turbo/hybrid system in a rugged 4x4 (hundreds of millions $)
Turbos and hybrid systems are just more costly, more complex, and by their very nature harder to work on and cost more to keep running in the long run.

Take that $400 million or whatever and focus on lightness, ruggedness, dependability, and reliability. Make it super easy to work on. Then you don't need a hybrid system that weighs 600-700 pounds.

Toyota has proven they can make V6 and V8 that last a million miles.....why not just do that? Its like volvo supercharging AND turbocharging a 4cylinder for a run of the mill sedan. Do they get paid by the P/N they create?
 
TexasFunRunner said:
I was curious about complete dimensions since Toyota only published the LC 250 dimensions for the length, width (with mirrors) and height. Previously I had calculated some of the missing dimensions for the GX 550 to get a complete picture. Below I've combined the known information and calculated the missing information to fill in the blanks. I'm pleasantly surprised to see it is the same length as the 4Runner. Please let me know if you see any errors in my calculations.

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I’m skeptical that there will be any length difference between the LC 250 and the GX.
 
onemanarmy said:
Toyota has proven they can make V6 and V8 that last a million miles.....why not just do that? Its like volvo supercharging AND turbocharging a 4cylinder for a run of the mill sedan. Do they get paid by the P/N they create?
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Because ESG overlords rule the world.
 
onemanarmy said:
60% opinion
All the resources dedicated to designing, testing and building a new engine (many hundreds of millions of $)
All the resources to create a hybrid system (many tens of millions $)
All the time, resources, brain power used to implement and test a turbo/hybrid system in a rugged 4x4 (hundreds of millions $)
Turbos and hybrid systems are just more costly, more complex, and by their very nature harder to work on and cost more to keep running in the long run.

Take that $400 million or whatever and focus on lightness, ruggedness, dependability, and reliability. Make it super easy to work on. Then you don't need a hybrid system that weighs 600-700 pounds.

Toyota has proven they can make V6 and V8 that last a million miles.....why not just do that? Its like volvo supercharging AND turbocharging a 4cylinder for a run of the mill sedan. Do they get paid by the P/N they create?
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The govts in Canada and the US have mandated these changes through emissions testing. The Highlander gets 1 mpg better with the 2.4 turbo vs the 3.5 V6 but emits half of the emissions. Toyota would prefer to keep selling the engines that they have already developed and have given them their reliability reputation. If you were a company like Toyota and saw the future being mandated by law as ALL electric vehicles but you have to reduce your CAFE numbers as you transition to electric how much emphasis would you put on reliability with these new engines?
I would just tell the engineers to make a stop gap engine to get us through the next gen vehicles and focus the billions on developing EVs. I think we will look back in 20 years and see these turbo hybrids as a quickly thrown together temporary solution.
 
Rednexus said:
From having a Hybrid Toyota with the same 1.9 kwh NIMH battery, they never really "run out" of battery. We took ours to the north rim of the GC, up Vail Pass, up Loveland Pass, etc. It never dropped below 2 bars of battery and never ran out of electric assist. The second you let up on the throttle the gas motor starts sending electricity/charge back to the battery so it stays charged. It was literally charging as we were going uphill on Loveland. If it can pull Loveland like that, IMO it should be fine for just about any kind of scenario short of a full-throttle run at max towing capacity.

IMO the hybrid charge issue is overrated - a hybrid is vastly superior to a gas-only motor in most circumstances. I just wish the motor was a N/A V6 instead of a turbo 4.
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That's a different experience from driving in the mountain west in my experience in both a Rav4 hybrid and a Sienna. The little 4cyl is screaming on the way up any big pass. I can't imagine trying to tow with one. They'll maintain highway speeds. They're great in most situations. But they are pretty well maxed out just to maintain highway speeds up the long passes. They're also significantly different design. So, it's hard to really compare. I would still choose the hybrid in almost any of Toyota's cars and CUVs over the NA version because it's so much more efficient in normal use. I mostly don't like the packaging, weight, and limited benefit in the BOF models. I'd really love to have a Rav4 Prime to replace my RX350. But they're unobtanium. Local dealer had one recently, but priced it at $68k. At that price I'll keep my RX and add a Model Y.

Hopefully as soon as the Tacoma hits the market we'll get to see some real world towing tests. It might do great. The Tundra tests I've seen show the hybrid working on acceleration, but doesn't seem to be used much or at all on the long uphill passes. In the TFL tow test it didn't appear to be functioning at all on the pull up the Eisenhower pass other than the on-ramp.
 
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I think it looks dope and I'm interested in the 1958 trim.. I like the throwback styling and appreciate the fact that they DID listen to everyone and made a capable (rear and center lockers) 4x4 without a lot of frills (moon roof, leather, electric seats). Considering trading my 60 for it as I need a car that can safely transport my kids.

So many here are so predictably bent out of shape about the hybrid.. Guess what everyone.. ICE engines are NOT in the future and a naturally aspirated V6 or V8 are not going to happen anymore. I for one am happy for the hybrid and if anything disappointed its a small system and only 27 mpg. The only better option would be a solid diesel.

I'm also glad it isn't as big as the 200 and 300 series.. Those are land yachts and even with 4 people in the car (2 kids) I don't want or need that much room. And on size.. No one is ever going to sit in a 3rd row in this thing so I have no problem with them not offering it.
 
LazarusTaxa said:
I'm also glad it isn't as big as the 200 and 300 series.
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From the numbers that I've seen, it's just about the same size as a 200. I hope I'm wrong as I would prefer something a bit smaller.
 
M1911 said:
From the numbers that I've seen, it's just about the same size as a 200. I hope I'm wrong as I would prefer something a bit smaller.
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Maybe. I dont know the numbers. But I saw the GX550 in person and have a lot of experience with the 200.. Seems more narrow though perhaps as long or slightly longer.
 
Specialeyes said:
I'm with you on being a skeptic of that 27mpg comment someone threw out there. But it is a smaller engine and smaller vehicle than the known quantity that is the Tundra and Sequoia hybrid. (those both have a 6 cyl with battery) It seems Toyota's goal with these new engines is to use the electric part to help make power and low end torque, not much else. This is probably due to how their turbos have been programmed, no doubt compared to other forced induction engines these are low stress to help with reliability. GX got the standard TT6 which makes more power but has no hybrid option (yet) although one is coming (whether it is the 4 or 6 cyl is TBD)
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"Someone" didn't throw it out there, Toyota did. Its on their website. Scroll down to the bottom, click on performance. 2024 Toyota Land Cruiser | Toyota.com - https://www.toyota.com/upcoming-vehicles/landcruiser/

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LazarusTaxa said:
Maybe. I dont know the numbers. But I saw the GX550 in person and have a lot of experience with the 200.. Seems more narrow though perhaps as long or slightly longer.
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We are talking inches but they do matter. Just ask around in some other circles!
 
Jetboy said:
That's a different experience from driving in the mountain west in my experience in both a Rav4 hybrid and a Sienna. The little 4cyl is screaming on the way up any big pass. I can't imagine trying to tow with one. They'll maintain highway speeds. They're great in most situations. But they are pretty well maxed out just to maintain highway speeds up the long passes. They're also significantly different design. So, it's hard to really compare. I would still choose the hybrid in almost any of Toyota's cars and CUVs over the NA version because it's so much more efficient in normal use. I mostly don't like the packaging, weight, and limited benefit in the BOF models. I'd really love to have a Rav4 Prime to replace my RX350. But they're unobtanium. Local dealer had one recently, but priced it at $68k. At that price I'll keep my RX and add a Model Y.

Hopefully as soon as the Tacoma hits the market we'll get to see some real world towing tests. It might do great. The Tundra tests I've seen show the hybrid working on acceleration, but doesn't seem to be used much or at all on the long uphill passes. In the TFL tow test it didn't appear to be functioning at all on the pull up the Eisenhower pass other than the on-ramp.
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The 4-banger was screaming for sure, but still had enough cajones to do some charging along the way when the throttle let up.
 
Jetboy said:
That's a different experience from driving in the mountain west in my experience in both a Rav4 hybrid and a Sienna. The little 4cyl is screaming on the way up any big pass. I can't imagine trying to tow with one. They'll maintain highway speeds. They're great in most situations. But they are pretty well maxed out just to maintain highway speeds up the long passes. They're also significantly different design. So, it's hard to really compare. I would still choose the hybrid in almost any of Toyota's cars and CUVs over the NA version because it's so much more efficient in normal use. I mostly don't like the packaging, weight, and limited benefit in the BOF models. I'd really love to have a Rav4 Prime to replace my RX350. But they're unobtanium. Local dealer had one recently, but priced it at $68k. At that price I'll keep my RX and add a Model Y.

Hopefully as soon as the Tacoma hits the market we'll get to see some real world towing tests. It might do great. The Tundra tests I've seen show the hybrid working on acceleration, but doesn't seem to be used much or at all on the long uphill passes. In the TFL tow test it didn't appear to be functioning at all on the pull up the Eisenhower pass other than the on-ramp.
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No offense, but this isn't a tow vehicle for the mountains - unless you're towing a small overlanding trailer. Was it you saying you had a bay boat? I'd certainly tow a boat with these - but I wouldn't be taking one up and down grades, and going on long trips. I'd get something actually made with towing in mind. If you're buying one of these for that and need to tow at grades, you're doing it wrong. Just my 2 cents of course.
 
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