Sales of the LC 250 will certainly increase, but even if it is 10x that is still only 30,000 per year.
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If this thing does end up surprising us and selling like crazy then the factory better be able handle it.
I think globally if you count 150 series combined sales (TLC PRADO + GX) you are looking at 150-160k plus units annually.
Imagine with this newer generation! & especially since they will sell the Toyotta in the US/Canada as well.
As for the side glass design, I saw this in the 70 series book by Takeshi Namba and I can definitely see the design influence.
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So it is just a concept vehicle.
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I could see it looking very similar to this.
Yes
Yes, as expected deisgn cues will find their way into future vehicles.
However also worth noting, that tiny electric clown car will most likely make it to production soon.
Look at past sales numbers for the lexus lite school bus form factor......its dismal
It feels like they're putting lipstick on an updated pig
Not specfic to Toyota.....I dont understand why every EV design has to be absolutely clown car butt ugly
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The Rivians are impressive passing by. Not when you're up close and have time to digest it.
Yep
When they get close I see the front end, think "hurrr durrrrr hhurrritage" and want to vomit
1) I wouldn’t call GX sales in the US dismal. Since 2014 they have ranged between 20k to 30k.
2) The GX 550 isn’t an update of the GX 460. It is a complete redesign, based on the TNGA-F platform, which underpins the LC 300, new Tundra, new Sequoia, and 2024 Tacoma.
I think the Model S is attractive on the exterior, though the design is getting stale. I wouldn’t buy a Tesla, but that is a rant for another day.
I think the ID4 is decent looking, but VW being VW, they completely messed up the interior controls.
I’ve never cared for the Rivian styling, particularly the front end. I think it is still unclear whether Rivian will survive.
Werent we talking about LC?
Over almost 20 year period they only sold 50k units
Only broke 4k units one year.....2005
The Lexus Lite school bus formula is a losing one.....
2022 Toyota Land Cruiser Sales Figures
Toyota Land Cruiser monthly, quarterly, and yearly sales and statistics in the United States. Including data and interactive charts for the latest model year 2022 and crossover/suvs segment.
Toyota Land Cruiser US Year Sales
| Year | Sales |
|---|---|
| 2022 | 48 |
| 2021 | 3,711 |
| 2020 | 3,147 |
| 2019 | 3,536 |
| 2018 | 3,235 |
| 2017 | 3,100 |
| 2016 | 3,705 |
| 2015 | 2,687 |
| 2014 | 3,158 |
| 2013 | 3,082 |
| 2012 | 2,895 |
| 2011 | 1,662 |
| 2010 | 1,807 |
| 2009 | 2,261 |
| 2008 | 3,801 |
| 2007 | 3,251 |
| 2006 | 3,376 |
| 2005 | 4,870 |
| Total | 53,332 |
I hope not.
As the LC250 will be similar to the GX550, the 6th gen 4Runner will be similar to the 4th gen Tacoma, moving back to its roots, while still being an evolutionary design. Yes, this deviates from the current gen 4Runner, GX and Prado being similar.
Expect the engine choices to most likely mirror their twins as well, so the 4Runner will get the Tacoma's 2.4L Turbo or 2.4L Turbo Hybrid, no TTV6, you will need to step up to the LC250 for that.
The first rendering below from Carbuzz was reviewed by an insider at Plano, they said it was not that far off with the exception of the front end, which would follow the Tacoma design. The second rendering below from Autoevolution gets the front end closer to the Tacoma, so take some combination of the two renderings and you have the new 4Runner.
Expect the engine choices to most likely mirror their twins as well, so the 4Runner will get the Tacoma's 2.4L Turbo or 2.4L Turbo Hybrid, no TTV6, you will need to step up to the LC250 for that.
The first rendering below from Carbuzz was reviewed by an insider at Plano, they said it was not that far off with the exception of the front end, which would follow the Tacoma design. The second rendering below from Autoevolution gets the front end closer to the Tacoma, so take some combination of the two renderings and you have the new 4Runner.
Come to Qatar
Let me take you out to the dunes and show you if the LX 600 is a real off road vehicle or a raV 4.
The LX 600 won't have less articulation than a 570 that's for sure, even without AHC, because that's the same suspension setup as the base 300 and that has excellent articulation. An actual ramp test would be an interesting test to do, maybe I'll do one someday!.
The LC300 being the flagship product, came first ( was the first TNGA-F product to be developed ), then everything else was developed around it.
The 250/300 will evolve and develop in the future and will without a doubt remain for future generations. I hear an all electric GX successor is already in the early development stages ( mentioned on some forums).
The question is, will the Sequoia last beyond this generation?
Sales are so low compared to the 150/300 and without a doubt the 250 will end up selling more than the Sequoia too. They saved the Seq from the axe once, will they do it again?
We still don't have full year Seq sales because it hasn't been exactly a year since it went on sale, but I really have a feeling it won't survive a next gen.
My guess is, the LC300 replacement ( LC400) will grow in size a little, not a lot but think Y62 Patrol/US Armada size ( and soon Y63 ). With the LC250 being 300 sized, I see room for that to happen now, especially since a lot of LC300 owners are actually complaining it feels to tight inside.
All I can say is what a time to be BoF Toyota fan.
All I need is one solid 205mm tall rock drive over. One of them will, one won't. The Rav4 prime is also a lot faster. With the better power to weight ratio - it might be better in the sand than we think.
There's a lot more to being good off-road than the catalog of numbers and the LX is still a better vehicle for that in general. But the Rav4 will go down trails the LX can't without damaging the body. I'm mostly pointing out how compromised Toyota has made the LX. And in reality in the USA market - 85-90% are leased by the first owners and driven on asphalt only. Lessees don't modify them and they don't go off-road with them. It's made for the streets, not the trails. And there is no off road model in the USA. So, at least as far as north america is concerned, there's just no reason to sandbag the other models to protect a halo off-road model. The LX simply doesn't play in that market space even if it could with proper suspension and tires and is based on a model that does. The way Toyota brings it to the USA is targeted straight at city commuting, not playing in the dirt.
Sequoia probably wont' last past this generation is my guess. Sales are hard to know because Toyota isn't building enough. But I think they're outselling the LX by about 2:1 in the USA. After a big bump for 2021 with the new model, LX sales are down from the prior generation and the trends are down from there. With the new GX and TX - I think the Sequoia will outlive the LX in the USA. My guess is LX is gone in 5-7 years as sales drop below 1k per year. But, it's hard to really know because all of toyota's sales are slumping due to production. Either way, the LX will almost certainly not carry forward in a BOF version. Toyota has already said that all Lexus models will be EV only by 2030. There might be a "LX" nameplate on something like a RS1. But it won't be a BOF Land Cruiser variant. It'll be an EV skateboard with a SUV body.
Toyota has real problems with production. The idea that this will continue indefinitely where Toyota can under produce and increase margins is simply nonsense. The market is too competitive and others will fill the void with more competitive options as margins return to competitive levels. They already are. And it's not something Toyota can come back from without competing again on price.
I think the biggest open question we all keep circling is why there's going to be potentially 4 different SUVs that are all reskins of the same vehicle. And every one of them could be replaced by just selling the LC300 in the full range of trims from base to LX600. Toyota is going to a huge amount of work to recreate one product line that it already produces. And at the same time failing to have any meaningful range variation other than trim levels. It think the GX being a reskinned LC300 surprised a lot of us. It did for me. Same as the Tacoma sharing most of the LC300 underpinnings and having arguably better suspension. We knew the GX-F was going to unify the basic platform for everything. I certainly didn't expect it to mean that everything would actually be almost the same product. The 4Runner is still a big open question, so it'll be interesting to see if it really is another LC300 reskin or something smaller and lighter.
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