2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (1 Viewer)

[stridertexas]

If Toyota is releasing the GX with the TTV6 and holding off on the Hybrid version to obviously supply the new LC....when could it be possible for the GX to have the Hybrid?

 

[Brown98LC]

Anyone else feel they would have liked seeing more engineering videos and stuff?

What about the usual videos showing the new features and stuff
You know the one Toyota makes using weird graphics those ones.
Where are they?


Sometimes I feel this reveal was rushed honestly.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Did anyone else read more about the "vehicle stability control" (VSC), I've googled it and no reviews discuss it.

Has Toyota or Lexus used this on any other models under different names, akin to "Rollover Control" or something?

All Land Cruisers are equipped with a full-time four-wheel drive system with a center locking differential and an electronically controlled two-speed transfer case with high/low range. The system also features vehicle stability control (VSC) and an automatic limited-slip differential (Auto LSD). An electronic locking rear differential is standard on all Land Cruisers and can help split power 50/50 to the rear wheels for improved traction control on rough terrain.

 

[Specialeyes]

What happened to your kdss? Ive seen maybe 5 kdss leaks in 10 years on the 4runner forum. I wouldn't own a 5th gen without kdss.

I'd pass on xreas though. It's trash. Notorious for leaking.

I’ve noticed no discernible difference with/without KDSS. Perhaps if I were able to drive one with and one without back to back but in the South/southeastern part of the states all 4Runners (excluding Limited trims) come without KDSS. I did feel like the GX460 and 200 Series have a more comfy ride but I’d say that’s due to the sum of their parts, not just some sway bars.

 

[Patassa]

Did anyone else read more about the "vehicle stability control" (VSC), I've googled it and no reviews discuss it.

Has Toyota or Lexus used this on any other models under different names, akin to "Rollover Control" or something?

VSC has been around forever. It's on my 2002 LC.

 

[Oakleyguy]

I'm excited to finally be able to talk about this neat platform. It’s been an extremely busy few days with this LC project and before that with the GX550. I need to drive my FJ40 around for a few minutes and reset my brain so I can put words together.

Short answer, I give it two thumbs up.

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Once you can decompress (and hopefully NDAs expire) I would be very interested in hearing your detailed thoughts on the platform and the chassis and of course your thoughts between not only the 200 and new 250, but also how the GX plays into the roll.

I'm quite curious on how eKDSS stacks against SDM.

 

[Patassa]

this guy loves the 250, he has a lot of time behind the wheel of the 120 and 150, and he says this is the best looking one. Also noted that he loves the interior. He usually isn't popular with the OEMs as far as his opinion goes.

I used to be a fan of this guy but I find him contradictory/inconsistent if you listen to enough of his rants and he nitpicks the strangest things to write something off. I guess if you're in the business of content, you have to always find something to say otherwise there's no new content.

 

[Nottajeep]

Did anyone else read more about the "vehicle stability control" (VSC), I've googled it and no reviews discuss it.

Has Toyota or Lexus used this on any other models under different names, akin to "Rollover Control" or something?

It's even on my LS430. Great technology.

 

[M1911]

Anyone else feel they would have liked seeing more engineering videos and stuff?

What about the usual videos showing the new features and stuff
You know the one Toyota makes using weird graphics those ones.
Where are they?


Sometimes I feel this reveal was rushed honestly.

It’s early and these are preproduction vehicles. We are still months away from release. We will get more details closer to release.

 

[Jetboy]

I'm assuming the E part of E-KDSS solves the potential leak issue.

I'm not sure how. Ekdss just means it's electric shutter valves instead of the floating ball valves used in the lc200. It's still a hydraulic system. And the 4runner version has had electric valves since 2010 in the central control box. They've never been an issue.

The big improvement in ekdss is not borrowing the valves from the j150. It's having two front cylinders instead of one. More travel and the ability to flow fluid with less restriction between the two front cylinders so it can have move faster. The original kdss only worked at very low speed because of fluid restriction and heat buildup. New version can be in the open position at higher speeds. But that's relative, it's still pretty limited as far as high speed use. However, it's better at low speed. So it's a trade off.

Kdss = more articulation, better load distribution, and better body control off camber

Sway disconnect = better comfort at speed above 10mph.

 

[m4hk33]

Add Ford’s “full time” 4wd option which is not the same as legit full time 4WD the LC has. Add their tow package which is 1,500 lb less plus you are getting less interior storage/payload. Throw in a hard top and automatic to get it closer to the LC base spec and you’re right there at $53k and could easily get to $55k or more with a few more options.

So yes, you could spend less but you also get less.

Honest question...

What's the difference between Fords full time and Toyotas Full time 4WD systems?

 

[Brown98LC]

It’s early and these are preproduction vehicles. We are still months away from release. We will get more details closer to release.

3 months from actual production isn't that long.

We got those videos with the GX 550

So tell me what's the difference?

Unless they think GX videos are enough?

 

[M1911]

Did anyone else read more about the "vehicle stability control" (VSC), I've googled it and no reviews discuss it.

Has Toyota or Lexus used this on any other models under different names, akin to "Rollover Control" or something?

Every vehicle has vehicle stability control. It uses an accelerometer plus steering wheel position sensor plus the ABS system plus the electronic throttle to reduce the chance of a spin. If the truck starts to oversteer, it cuts the throttle and uses differential braking to bring the back end inline. My 2003 4Runner had it.

This isn’t new and is one of the safety success stories. It significantly reduces fatalities, by reducing rollovers and side impacts.

 

[Jetboy]

I’ve noticed no discernible difference with/without KDSS. Perhaps if I were able to drive one with and one without back to back but in the South/southeastern part of the states all 4Runners (excluding Limited trims) come without KDSS. I did feel like the GX460 and 200 Series have a more comfy ride but I’d say that’s due to the sum of their parts, not just some sway bars.

Are you sure you've driven one with kdss? It's a huge change in vehicle dynamics. It's like comparing driving f250 vs f150.

 

[M1911]

Honest question...

What's the difference between Fords full time and Toyotas Full time 4WD systems?

Toyota uses a Torsen center diff which is bulletproof. Ford uses a computer controlled clutch pack which can overheat, and when it does overheat, it opens up so you are in 2WD.

 

[M1911]

I'm assuming the E part of E-KDSS solves the potential leak issue.

I guess I’m lucky. I got 130k miles out of the XREAS system on my ‘03 4Runner and I’ve got 95k miles on my 200 with KDSS. I like KDSS as I get decent articulation off-road and on-road the sway bars keep the 200 from rolling like a pig in turns.

 

[Brown98LC]

They are basically hand built so limited production. The people who need them — mining companies in Australia and folks who spend a lot of time in the Outback — really want them.

But for the average folks here on Ih8mud who claim to want one, I think they would change their mind if they actually drive one. The NVH on the 70 series is horrid. The interior is cramped. It has all the disadvantages of a solid front axle during daily driving. The front track width is wider than the rear, resulting in squirrelly handling in snow and sand. The solutions to that range from janky (different offset rear wheels) to good but outrageously expensive (aftermarket rear axle).

If you spend a ton of time off-road, then yes, you might like a 70 series. But most of us spend 95% of our time on pavement and the 70 series is far worse on pavement than a 200 or the new 250 or a 4Runner, etc.

So I stand by my statement — US enthusiasts who long for the 70 series simply want it because it is forbidden fruit. If they actually drove it, most of them would hate it.

The 70 Series has the romantic appeal of overlanding in the Outback or Africa. But most of us spend our days commuting to work in stop and go traffic, dropping the kids off at school, or going to the grocery store. For all of those everyday activities, any modern Toyota truck is a better choice than a 70 series.

I agree with everything you said 100%
But just an FYI to everyone here
Yes aspects of thr LC70 production may be considered hand built I guess maybe like some of the welding maybe? But it is far from limited production and they do roll off the same lines as the station wagon land cruisers (they moved production of all 79 and i think 76 to another plant a few years ago) but as far as I am aware some 70s (troopies? 71) not sure which but I have seen pics around in the past of them rolling off the line with the 200 and the 300 in the present day.

They make alot of them.

Probably more than the Lexus GX per year easily.

So it's definitely far from being limited production.

You should see how much they export to the Middle East alone.

 

[Specialeyes]

Honest question...

What's the difference between Fords full time and Toyotas Full time 4WD systems?

I’m not certain but this is what I pulled straight from Ford. I had this feature on my last F-150. There is a setting called 4A that you can switch to which does the below:

“4A (4X4 AUTO) Provides electronic controlled four-wheel drive with power delivered to the front and rear wheels, as required, for increased traction.

 

[flx]

Anyone else feel they would have liked seeing more engineering videos and stuff?

What about the usual videos showing the new features and stuff
You know the one Toyota makes using weird graphics those ones.
Where are they?


Sometimes I feel this reveal was rushed honestly.

Yeah I don't understand the logic of this reveal... Supposed to be a world wide vehicle but this reveal was in the end very US centric.
The official reveal almost said nothing but in the following hours the entire US auto-Youtube published their video of the 250 with a lot more info and images... Not sure why those infos were not provided "officially" and why only US journalists had this access.


Journalists in other markets only got the right to a press release with a few info.
FYI in Western Europe the 250 will be offered in 5 or 7 seater (that in practice will be sold in 2 seater to avoid eco taxes in many countries...), and will be launched with the 1GD engine (2.8L turbo diesel that we already find on the current 150). A 48V mild-hybrid version of this engine will be offered from 2025.
Eastern Europe will have a 2.7L NA petrol offered for those that like it slow
No news of a 3 doors version for now

 

[M1911]

I agree with everything you said 100%
But just an FYI to everyone here
Yes aspects of thr LC70 production may be considered hand built I guess maybe like some of the welding maybe? But it is far from limited production.

They make alot of them.

Probably more than the Lexus GX per year easily.

So it's definitely far from being limited production.

You should see how much they export to the Middle East alone.

It is my understanding that Toyota is at capacity for the 70 series, which is why there are long waiting lists for them.