2024 GX/Prado Release and Discussion (1 Viewer)

[TheRealDeal124]

this guy loves the 250, he has a lot of time behind the wheel of the 120 and 150, and he says this is the best looking one. Also noted that he loves the interior. He usually isn't popular with the OEMs as far as his opinion goes.

 

[TWILLY]

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Thank you!

 

[malden]

You won’t get one. I strongly suspect that most people who claim to want a 70 Series would change their mind if they actually got to drive one.

Toyota has years long waiting lists for the FJ70 worldwide because the people who drove it decided they did not want one. Huh?

It’s really too bad our fellow US Toyota enthusiasts will not get to own this jewel. And as someone who owns a vintage FJ70 and has driven a modern one extensively, I would suggest that, quite to the contrary, anyone who drives this beast would rush to buy it especially if you like the idea of cruising past Broncos, Wranglers, and other LCs stuck in a ditch.

Last night Toyota said they listen to feedback and requests from enthusiasts on social media. Toyota was able to get the FJ70 passed through Australian crash and emissions tests, but they likely won’t do the same for the States unless you guys do something. Write Toyota a letter, an email, post a message on your favorite blog or forum. You never know. Being passive and doing nothing certainly won’t help.

And let’s cut the gloating about the FJ70 and, instead, encourage everyone to get involved to make a US version a reality.

 

[Phillyd2]

I'm having a hard time understanding how Toyota is positioning the Land Cruiser, it slots above the 4Runner to be the premium BOF for Toyota yet there is no mention of X-REAS or any Adaptive Suspension, either basic or premium.

Did I miss it among the multitude of reviews?

That remains the mystery, doesn’t it? One LC trim is getting a sway bar disconnect but even if they just make the 4R a part time 4WD Taco SUV it still is a head scratcher.

General question – E-KDSS vs Sway Bar Disconnect????

 

[Nottajeep]

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So it doesn't come with a phone charger?

 

[m4hk33]

Were there focus groups for this thing?
Did the 'enthusiasts' get to give input?

This is what they came up with?

Far too much plastic
Bloated body
No tailgate...no slider cargo windows....no seperate rear hatch window
Hyrbrid / turbo 4 cylinder
large intrusive battery pack
no roof rack
1000 electrical nannys
electronic sway bar disconnects that 1 person might use
crazy front overhang
expensive LED headlights
Giant side view mirrors
who voted for all this?

They already make this EXACT vehicle (4runner) and they have the 300 series that could be readied for US import with a few tweaks

So why not make a Wrangler/Bronco competitor?

Honestly, outside of the only engine option eating into the cargo capacity, the new LC seems ok. Considering that its going to need a set of tires, 55 feels a little high for the base.

Its coming in around 12 grand higher than a Bronco, Big Bend, with 4 cylinder engine and a rear locker. The Toyota is going to be more reliable, but I am not sure 12k more reliable. Configured with 35's, and front and rear lockers and V6, you are still coming in under a Base LC.

it really comes down to how it drives.

 

[onemanarmy]

'seems OK'
Toyota has 70 years of Land Cruiser heritage, styling, and history to build on and keep going
They have billions to spend on new car development
They claim to listen to 'enthusiasts'
So they go hybrid and turbo....tack on plastic everywhere....add cost and complexity with electrical nannys and gadgets that 99% won't use....no roof rack at $55k price point....
all the while basically making a 4runner with some beefier A arms and frame......while no one is breaking 4runner A-arms and frames. This is the #1 priority?
Did the 'enthusiasts' spend time talking about how many rear AC vents there should be? How many USB ports? How big the stupid screen should be? If thats the case, then quite lame.

and all we can say is 'seems OK'

 

[jayp2]

That remains the mystery, doesn’t it? One LC trim is getting a sway bar disconnect but even if they just make the 4R a part time 4WD Taco SUV it still is a head scratcher.

General question – E-KDSS vs Sway Bar Disconnect????

The 4Runner is already a part time 4WD.....its RWD unless you put it into H4/L4

They sell gobs of them every year and have for decades...its near enough a perfect vehicle....why the eff would Toyota mess with a winning formula?....doing so would truly be a darwin awards move.

 

[on the rocks]

@cruiseroutfit @cruiserdan , and info come out yesterday on the limited 5000 First edition models? I believe I saw they would make a first run of these before other models early next year but no information on how they would be equipped.

 

[Phillyd2]

The 4Runner is already a part time 4WD.....its RWD unless you put it into H4/L4

They sell gobs of them every year and have for decades...its near enough a perfect vehicle....why the eff would Toyota mess with a winning formula?....doing so would truly be a darwin awards move.

The Limited is full time so I should have better said part time on all trims.

The issue remains that at the dealer you will have both the 4R and LC so logic would dictate they need to make it obviously different - other than just base price. And they would need to justify such a big difference.

 

[UZJ100LC]

General question – E-KDSS vs Sway Bar Disconnect

this is my question as well. 200 series has great articulation, 200 heritage even more. And I bet the lx 570 is just as good though doesn't have ekdss but AHC. I can't wait for people to start reviewing these.

 

[M1911]

Toyota has years long waiting lists for the FJ70 worldwide because the people who drove it decided they did not want one. Huh?

They are basically hand built so limited production. The people who need them — mining companies in Australia and folks who spend a lot of time in the Outback — really want them.

But for the average folks here on Ih8mud who claim to want one, I think they would change their mind if they actually drive one. The NVH on the 70 series is horrid. The interior is cramped. It has all the disadvantages of a solid front axle during daily driving. The front track width is wider than the rear, resulting in squirrelly handling in snow and sand. The solutions to that range from janky (different offset rear wheels) to good but outrageously expensive (aftermarket rear axle).

If you spend a ton of time off-road, then yes, you might like a 70 series. But most of us spend 95% of our time on pavement and the 70 series is far worse on pavement than a 200 or the new 250 or a 4Runner, etc.

So I stand by my statement — US enthusiasts who long for the 70 series simply want it because it is forbidden fruit. If they actually drove it, most of them would hate it.

The 70 Series has the romantic appeal of overlanding in the Outback or Africa. But most of us spend our days commuting to work in stop and go traffic, dropping the kids off at school, or going to the grocery store. For all of those everyday activities, any modern Toyota truck is a better choice than a 70 series.

 

[Phillyd2]

this is my question as well. 200 series has great articulation, 200 heritage even more. And I bet the lx 570 is just as good though doesn't have ekdss but AHC. I can't wait for people to start reviewing these.

Right. Gut says that a Sway Bar Disconnect would be better but the animation of E-KDSS looks damn close enough.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Were there focus groups for this thing?
Did the 'enthusiasts' get to give input?

This is what they came up with?

no roof rack

Roof Rack 1:

Roof Rack 2:

 

[M1911]

Toyota was able to get the FJ70 passed through Australian crash and emissions tests, but they likely won’t do the same for the States unless you guys do something.

Oh for goodness sakes. US REGULATIONS ARE STRICTER THAN AUSTRALIAN REGULATIONS. Yes, I’m shouting.

The 70 Series can’t meet US crash and emissions regulations. It would take a complete, ground up redesign to meet US regulations, something that Toyota has never done on the 70 Series.

THE 70 SERIES WILL NOT COME TO THE US.

 

[Specialeyes]

Honestly, outside of the only engine option eating into the cargo capacity, the new LC seems ok. Considering that its going to need a set of tires, 55 feels a little high for the base.

Its coming in around 12 grand higher than a Bronco, Big Bend, with 4 cylinder engine and a rear locker. The Toyota is going to be more reliable, but I am not sure 12k more reliable. Configured with 35's, and front and rear lockers and V6, you are still coming in under a Base LC.

it really comes down to how it drives.

Add Ford’s “full time” 4wd option which is not the same as legit full time 4WD the LC has. Add their tow package which is 1,500 lb less plus you are getting less interior storage/payload. Throw in a hard top and automatic to get it closer to the LC base spec and you’re right there at $53k and could easily get to $55k or more with a few more options.

So yes, you could spend less but you also get less.

 

[cruiseroutfit]

@cruiserdan @cruiseroutfit

Is interior size more like 100 series sizing and feel or 5th Gen 4R?

Feels just like an 80 Series to me

 

[onemanarmy]

Roof Rack 1:
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Roof Rack 2:
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yea...saw that. The press release vid got SO EXCITED that they were offering a 3/4 length rack on certain launch trims

don't hurt yourself Toyota!

 

[Jetboy]

Looks like it has an electronic sway bar disconnect...new for them?

I suspect they are assuming these vehicles will be modified by the aftermarket crowd....so leave off the tricked out suspension that would get removed quickly. Or they will be adding an Trail Finder / TRD edition that will have additional enhancements.

The one thing I really despised about XREAS and the previous KDSS was how expensive it was to repair and very prone to leaking. I had both my 470 and wife's 4R replaced under warranty...thankfully because it wasn't cheap. The service advisors were always complaining about them. It was pretty common for me to run into at least one or two folks getting theirs replaced every time I was in for service.

I have my fingers crossed the e-KDSS addresses the short comings of the previous generation otherwise I'm reading the fine print in any extended warranty that this is covered.

What happened to your kdss? Ive seen maybe 5 kdss leaks in 10 years on the 4runner forum. I wouldn't own a 5th gen without kdss.

I'd pass on xreas though. It's trash. Notorious for leaking.

 

[Phillyd2]

What happened to your kdss? Ive seen maybe 5 kdss leaks in 10 years on the 4runner forum. I wouldn't own a 5th gen without kdss.

I'd pass on xreas though. It's trash. Notorious for leaking.

I'm assuming the E part of E-KDSS solves the potential leak issue.