There was a route that we took several years ago with OAUSA.net that i think went down El Diablo Drop Off?, through The Squeeze? and then through this canyon that was washed out with mud 3 ft high in one spot. I had my Suburban and went through with out any issues, but everyone was very surprised i even tried it. Does anyone here remember that? Brent? I'm with SDNATIVE about wanting to try some tougher terrain.