Events/Trails 2008 USA Land Cruiser Pics and Test Drive Impressions (2 Viewers)

[twstrchasr]

Hmm... you DO have both .... might be an interesting challenge!

Yes I do.. I can get you the VIN's if you would like !! Contrary to popular belief, I am able to be consistent with both the truth and reality !!

Personally I feel like the RR is a more substantial vehicle. In particular, the doors seem to be heavier than the FJ's.

I like'em both. Each one has it's own unique "personality".

 

[hostbar]

haha

This forum is funny - people take things too seriously in here. Sorry about my misspelling people, english is my 2nd language.

I just asked the guy/girl if it was stock RRC or not. No need to write a term paper about it to get your point across. At the end no one really gives much about who "wins" or "loses" in forum discussions.

twstrchasr: You are by far the greatest asset to this forum. You should receive/if not already have some payment. Do you work for ih8mud.com? Please keep up the good work - it's very entertaining.

Best regards to your 14.5k sale of your RRC.

 

[Dougal]

I wish I could just morph my RRC with the FJ62..I wish the FJ62 had the RR's engine and Brakes and wish the RR had the room and HVAC that the FJ62 has !!

Is your RRC the softdash model?
They've got quite a different heater to the older ones. My 85 pumps out plenty of heat but the AC has been gassless for almost 10 years (soon to be fixed). My biggest gripe with the toyota heating and cooling is not enough air, I find I need AC above about 20 deg C because they don't have the fresh air flow.

 

[twstrchasr]

Is your RRC the softdash model?
They've got quite a different heater to the older ones. My 85 pumps out plenty of heat but the AC has been gassless for almost 10 years (soon to be fixed). My biggest gripe with the toyota heating and cooling is not enough air, I find I need AC above about 20 deg C because they don't have the fresh air flow.

1991 hard dash...As you stated, the heater works much better than the a/c. I guess there is more cold weather than warm in the UK. Here in Texas the hot summer months really tax the a/c. It is pretty insufficient, in other words. To quote an opinion from an expert in RRC's.."The A/C really blows! No pun intended."

My 89 FJ's HVAC works extremely well. Blows very cold for the warm days and the heater is quite toasty !!

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

These aren't a common failure point, unless you've bent them either by jacking or to correct the bush angles after a suspension lift.

The rangerover classic rear lower trailing arms are actually bigger and thicker than discovery and defender items.

The arms I've seen on many of these RR's are about an inch (or so) in diameter. This guy rolled over a small (SMALL!) tree stump and it bent like a hanger then his spring went kerpling...out it went. Then, on the way back out (with one spring) he bent the other while crawling over a rock. Crawling. ????

It happended again on another trip and another truck.

 

[twstrchasr]

This forum is funny - people take things too seriously in here. Sorry about my misspelling people, english is my 2nd language.

I just asked the guy/girl if it was stock RRC or not. No need to write a term paper about it to get your point across. At the end no one really gives much about who "wins" or "loses" in forum discussions.

twstrchasr: You are by far the greatest asset to this forum. You should receive/if not already have some payment. Do you work for ih8mud.com? Please keep up the good work - it's very entertaining.

Best regards to your 14.5k sale of your RRC.

Just playing with ya on the Devine bit..Couldn't resist the comment about the Devine edition LC !!

Yes, this stuff really does need to be taken much less seriously..I will try to bite my tongue more often. I did get a little too involved with the explanation of the sale prices of my rigs but lately I seem to have to think way ahead to anticipate any negative comments coming at me before they actually do !

And one last time, just so there is no question about the lowish resale value of LR's...Yes, their resale value is low when compaired to their new sales price.. LC's are, as a rule much better. The low price on the rovers does allow for a good deal in some circumstances and, if properly maintained can last just as long as any othe vehicle. I take very good care of my vehicles and do not abuse them like I did when I was younger. "What a drag it is getting old."--MJ

Now then, about that new 200 series LC/LX........

 

[hostbar]

And one last time, just so there is no question about the lowish resale value of LR's...Yes, their resale value is low when compaired to their new sales price.. LC's are, as a rule much better. The low price on the rovers does allow for a good deal in some circumstances and, if properly maintained can last just as long as any othe vehicle. I take very good care of my vehicles and do not abuse them like I did when I was younger. "What a drag it is getting old."--MJ

Now then, about that new 200 series LC/LX........

Agree!

 

[Dougal]

The arms I've seen on many of these RR's are about an inch (or so) in diameter. This guy rolled over a small (SMALL!) tree stump and it bent like a hanger then his spring went kerpling...out it went. Then, on the way back out (with one spring) he bent the other while crawling over a rock. Crawling. ????

It happended again on another trip and another truck.

Any suspension links are going to bend when you sit the truck on them.
They'd need to be about 2" round and very heavy wall to survive that sort of treatment. I don't know of any 4x4's with links that size.
Maybe some are better tucked away than others.

 

[dclee]

Any suspension links are going to bend when you sit the truck on them.
They'd need to be about 2" round and very heavy wall to survive that sort of treatment. I don't know of any 4x4's with links that size.
Maybe some are better tucked away than others.

It's that old Shotts extreme technical knowledge at work again. :shotts:

Late 80 Series and 100 Series arms are not significantly thicker (if at all). I believe the same can be said about the 200. I bent both arms on my 80 relatively easily, and had to upgrade to thicker arms made of .25" thick DOM tubing (not Christo's, but similar). I truly fear for the spindly arms on my 100 Series...

 

[ShottsUZJ100]

It's that old Shotts extreme technical knowledge at work again. :shotts:

Late 80 Series and 100 Series arms are not significantly thicker (if at all). I believe the same can be said about the 200. I bent both arms on my 80 relatively easily, and had to upgrade to thicker arms made of .25" thick DOM tubing (not Christo's, but similar). I truly fear for the spindly arms on my 100 Series...

Thanks for the compliment. Besides diameter it must be material too. These things on the RR and Disco's just luv to bend and much easier than the Cruisers.

 

[FirstToy]

You see cachapa boy, you are harassing me...You are the one that started these personal attacks. Not I.

Here ass hole don't bother starting a new thread...."You don't happen to be a S American greaser do you ??"

That might come across to some as being very uncool but believe me, he has been pushing it and pushing it with me with personal attacks and, quite frankly all it is is a question, now isn't it ?? Why should his panties be in such a wad because of a mere question?

I did not instigate this line of personal attacks, he did.

If you unjustifiably attack me personally you better get the thick skin on because the game is on. That might sound very immature but that's the way it is. Period.

I enjoy these forums and give AND take a lot of jarring with a mostly tongue- in -cheek attitude but there comes a point when it stops being fun.

Don't swim with sharks if you are afraid of getting bitten...

,,,

 

[FirstToy]

Here is the PM I just recieved from FToy.....

"i didn't attack you with my comment. even you agreed with it. stating facts is not some personal attack. You, otoh, have been attacking and cussing freely in the tech forums ad nauseum.

I currently have a discussion going about you specifically with the rest of the moderators. I will be taking issue with you."

Wow, that is really jacked !! He's like that spoiled little kid in school who would always go and tell the teacher whenever someone did something he didn't like !!

Get a life !!! OMG !!

...

 

[Dougal]

Thanks for the compliment. Besides diameter it must be material too. These things on the RR and Disco's just luv to bend and much easier than the Cruisers.

That's a lovely rock gark on that arm.
Driver error anyone?

 

[Tom B]

Thanks for the compliment. Besides diameter it must be material too. These things on the RR and Disco's just luv to bend and much easier than the Cruisers.

While LR's trailing links may or may not bend easier, their stock positioning seems at least slightly better suited for offroading compared to the LC's. The LR link is off to the side of the frame rather than hanging under it. For additional clearance, LR owners have the choice of moving the mounting bracket completely above the frame level and using heim-jointed links. Practically speaking, my hundy gets stuck way more often than my Rovers, and it's almost always on the rear links. Granted, there are more factors between the two like wheelbase and ability to lift.

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To add 200 series content, I applaud the designers with keeping the wheel-base the same as the 100 series. I am of the school of thought on wagons that one should prioritize approach, break-over, and then departure. Armor the rear and just drag it, keep COG as low as you can for the level of break-over angle you need for your terrain.

Also, Toyota recently announced (maybe already mentioned?) they will be offering the Sequoia with a diesel V-8 (4.5L?). Perhaps there is hope that they might offer it in the 200 if the US market becomes receptive to Toyota's diesel offerings.

 

[dclee]

While LR's trailing links may or may not bend easier, their stock positioning seems at least slightly better suited for offroading compared to the LC's. The LR link is off to the side of the frame rather than hanging under it. For additional clearance, LR owners have the choice of moving the mounting bracket completely above the frame level and using heim-jointed links. Practically speaking, my hundy gets stuck way more often than my Rovers, and it's almost always on the rear links. Granted, there are more factors between the two like wheelbase and ability to lift.

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To add 200 series content, I applaud the designers with keeping the wheel-base the same as the 100 series. I am of the school of thought on wagons that one should prioritize approach, break-over, and then departure. Armor the rear and just drag it, keep COG as low as you can for the level of break-over angle you need for your terrain.

Also, Toyota recently announced (maybe already mentioned?) they will be offering the Sequoia with a diesel V-8 (4.5L?). Perhaps there is hope that they might offer it in the 200 if the US market becomes receptive to Toyota's diesel offerings.

G-Wagen and I believe Patrol also use a similar approach to the control arms as Rover. Not sure why Toyota still insists on hanging the links off the bottom of the frame. The other problem with the later Toyota wagons is the low-hanging transmission crossmember. What's up with that? If you look under a G-Wagen, everything is tucked up nice and high above the frame rails, nothing hangs down like on the Cruisers.

I agree on the diesels. Maybe one day the U.S. consumer will wake up and realize the superior benefits of the oil burner.

 

[twstrchasr]

I just registered but i've been reading this forum for many weeks. I felt compelled to ask you; who was willing to offer you 14.5k for your 1991 RR? I'm assuming RR Classic. I'm very familiar with LRs trucks and I have many friends that are into LR.

My brother in law just sold his 1991 RR Classic Great Devine Edition that was totally restored by a well known LR person in Santa Monica to another person for $4,500 - now this was in great shape in side and out with many upgrades like lift, tires, regearing, new carpet, new headliner, modified driveshaft, and many others.

Was your RR stock? If it was - its worth no more than ~$3,000. I think what the other person was saying regarding the depreciation between LC and RR was that - considering the original price of the car - early model RR have horrible resale value.

The person that offered you 14.5k for you RR was smoking something funny or has zero clue on what cars are worth.

I don't think anyone will argue RR have lower resale than LC - even a RR enthusiast.

1995 RANGE ROVER - LWB - 4.2 - AIR SUSPENSION - 51K MILES - WHITE-BEIGE

$16,999 - ALL TRADES CONSIDEREDLocated in our Georgia Showroom.


I know, I know, I just had to do it !!!

 

[jamesg]

Dclee,
I couldn't agree with you more about the underbelly of the Gwagen and Cruisers.

This is really my only complaint about Landcruisers, FJs and fourrunners.

Mercedes could do a better job though of protecting the transfer case on the G, and ventilate the rear discs, and ya gotta love those big ole tubular crossmembers on the Gwagen

I did see peeking under the new 200 the front skid plate is a nice piece of metal, and the crossmember below the transfer case is a little higher than on the 100.


2000 UZJ
2004 fourrunner SportV8
2002 G500

 

[dclee]

Dclee,
I couldn't agree with you more about the underbelly of the Gwagen and Cruisers.

This is really my only complaint about Landcruisers, FJs and fourrunners.

Mercedes could do a better job though of protecting the transfer case on the G, and ventilate the rear discs, and ya gotta love those big ole tubular crossmembers on the Gwagen

I did see peeking under the new 200 the front skid plate is a nice piece of metal, and the crossmember below the transfer case is a little higher than on the 100.

I agree about the lack of protection, but one could argue that it doesn't need it, as everything is tucked up so high. One nice thing about the t-case is that MB/Steyr totally divorced it from the tranny and moved it back to the exact center of the vehicle, which allowed them to make the front and rear prop shafts the exact same length (not so sure if they kept this in the G500, though). Makes for a very balanced wheeler. It's also very cool having that t-case lever sitting way back between the front seats. But you have the foo-foo 463 chassis, so you just have a wussy button to put it in low range... ...like a 200 Series...

Sorry, back to the 200, yeah, I agree that they did do a better job of tucking up the tranny crossmember. Still sits below the frame rails, but not nearly as much as the 80 and 100.

 

[sleeoffroad]

Derek, I will take pics once we get the 200 that we are working on back on the lift. The underside is much smoother than the 100 underneath. Everything that needs protected is. It is way better than any of the other offerings. The thing that we have to measure is to see if they actually dropped the frame compared to the 100, and that allowed them to tuck everything up. If you look from the front to the back, the complete bottom end is smooth.

 

[dclee]

Derek, I will take pics once we get the 200 that we are working on back on the lift. The underside is much smoother than the 100 underneath. Everything that needs protected is. It is way better than any of the other offerings. The thing that we have to measure is to see if they actually dropped the frame compared to the 100, and that allowed them to tuck everything up. If you look from the front to the back, the complete bottom end is smooth.

Cool, yeah, I'm just going by memory of a few quick glances under one at a dealer. It did seem smoother and the components beefier (in general) under there. That's interesting on the idea of dropping the frame to encapsulate the components. That would be interesting to know.