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Yes. A Jeeper measured it at 723 on a 20* ramp after I added the L-shocks.
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Yes. A Jeeper measured it at 723 on a 20* ramp after I added the L-shocks.
I noticed you bought your 1991 80 for $6K...I was recently offered $14.5K for my 1991 RR...Now, who is giving WHAT away ??
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I just registered but i've been reading this forum for many weeks. I felt compelled to ask you; who was willing to offer you 14.5k for your 1991 RR? I'm assuming RR Classic. I'm very familiar with LRs trucks and I have many friends that are into LR.
My brother in law just sold his 1991 RR Classic Great Devine Edition that was totally restored by a well known LR person in Santa Monica to another person for $4,500 - now this was in great shape in side and out with many upgrades like lift, tires, regearing, new carpet, new headliner, modified driveshaft, and many others.
Was your RR stock? If it was - its worth no more than ~$3,000. I think what the other person was saying regarding the depreciation between LC and RR was that - considering the original price of the car - early model RR have horrible resale value.
The person that offered you 14.5k for you RR was smoking something funny or has zero clue on what cars are worth.
I don't think anyone will argue RR have lower resale than LC - even a RR enthusiast.
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Be prepared to get hammered by twstrchasr for daring to challenge him and his
inability to be consistent with the truth or reality...
and welcome
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Be prepared to get hammered by twstrchasr for daring to challenge him and his
inability to be consistent with the truth or reality...
It's comments like that that beg for a less than "congenial" rebuttal. YOU shouldn't make assumptions about things you no nothing about. Unlike some on this forum, I am not ignorant or arrogant enough to be "blinded" by this mythical perfection some like to bestow on the LC. I have owned both LC's and LR's as well as many other marks and I assure you, no matter what the brand, they all have their pro's and their faults...I do not claim LR's to be without faults. Likewise, I don't claim LC's to be perfect, they are far from it !! It seems that a great number of people on these forums like to elevate the stature of their vehicles by bashing others. The ironic twist to that is that these dimwits like to bash vehicles they have never owned....Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one !!
Be prepared to get hammered by twstrchasr for daring to challenge him and his
inability to be consistent with the truth or reality...
In all my years, I've always posted or chatted just like I do in real life; thus, my personality (or dare) is same if you met me in person.
My quesitons and statements are valid. I find the technical section of this website forum to be very helpful and I would like to keep this real.
I don't want to waste my time arguing or having posting matches with name callings. If you want to do that - we should just meet up for a beer and give each other shyt
So, now I am going to be berated because I sold a RR for a higher price than the KBB states it was "worth" WOW, you people never cease to amaze me !!
...I have never heard of the Great Devine (Divide perhaps??) edition RRC...I do think there are some LC owners around here that think that their LC IS a DEVINE edition though !!
Just how exactly do YOU measure a vehicles "worth". Your description of the RR in SM right there shows your ignorance in the used mkt..Some of the "upgrades" like lifts, regearing, oversized tires, etc will typically not increase a vehicles worth. If you had two same type vehicles, one highly modified and one very stock, the stock one will typically bring the better money. Unmolested vehicles like my RRC and FJ62 very closely fall into the collector and classic used mkt. The "blue Book" or NADA guides are really not that accurate for those markets. Where they might be accurate is if you went to trade, the dealer would rob you blind by paying you the low BB price, but then turn around and ask a much higher retail price than the guide because it is in such "great" condition. Selling on the private mkt is much different when you get into these "collectable/classic" cars. I am quite sure you wouldn't exactly follow the BB pricing on selling a excellent condition FJ40.
As for my 1991 RRC, it is in tremendous shape, very low miles, no reliability issues, 100% original, etc (it does not need new headliner, carpet)... I have no reason to fabricate any untruths about it or, any of my other vehicles. I offered it for sale last year and had many interested parties of whom a few I knew personally. The buyers knew the price and were willing to pay what I was asking. I was offering it for sale because I was going to buy a D110. I changed my mind on the D110 because it was not represented accurately by the seller (lots of rust !!). I didn't want to take a chance on the 110 when I knew what I had in my RR. Conversely, I was also willing to sell my FJ62 for the purchase of the D110. If the deal hadn't gone south on the 110 the FJ62 was sold as well. The FJ62 is not in nearly as pristine shape as the RRC, but it is in much better shape than most. The fj62 has well over twice the mileage as the RRC and was offered for sale at a lower price than the RR. Still, it was "sold" for well over anything you will see listed in any "guide". A vehicle is "worth" what someone is willing to pay for it....That is how I define a vehicles worth. So, in this case both the RRC and FJ62 were "worth" what the potential buyers were willing to pay !!You also have to take into account the mkt where I was selling these two vehicles. Highland Park is an extremely affluent area in Dallas so it is definitely not your "typical" used car mkt.. I remember seeing a NAS D110 bring an absurd price at Barrett Jackson last year...Apparently that buyer thought it was worth well over the "guide" price...Now I realize auctions like BJ are on somewhat of a different scale but typically these auctions do a good job representing where the market is going......CLASS DISMISSED !!!
$14,500 for the RRC--64,000 miles --as new condition
$12,750 for the FJ62--135,000 miles--excellent condition
Welcome to the camp, by the way !!
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I hope you have swapped out the pencil thin factory lower rear control arms? On a single trip a RR lost both springs and was immobile due to these paper thin arms. Unforgiveable on such a vehicle.
.....And my 64,000 mile 2001 100 series lost its tranny this past summer for no apparent reason. Had to be towed from downtown Dallas....Now THAT IS UNFORGIVEABLE !!
....And the stupid factory NAV system has quit working.
Believe me, Rovers are not perfect, and neither are Cruisers.
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You see cachapa boy, you are harassing me...You are the one that started these personal attacks. Not I.
Here ass hole don't bother starting a new thread...."You don't happen to be a S American greaser do you ??"
That might come across to some as being very uncool but believe me, he has been pushing it and pushing it with me with personal attacks and, quite frankly all it is is a question, now isn't it ?? Why should his panties be in such a wad because of a mere question?
I did not instigate this line of personal attacks, he did.
If you unjustifiably attack me personally you better get the thick skin on because the game is on. That might sound very immature but that's the way it is. Period.
I enjoy these forums and give AND take a lot of jarring with a mostly tongue- in -cheek attitude but there comes a point when it stops being fun.
Don't swim with sharks if you are afraid of getting bitten...
C'mon guys, this isn't Jerry Springer. If you want to attack, you throw a birfield at him.
C'mon guys, this isn't Jerry Springer. If you want to attack, you throw a birfield at him.
Here is the PM I just recieved from FToy.....
"i didn't attack you with my comment. even you agreed with it. stating facts is not some personal attack. You, otoh, have been attacking and cussing freely in the tech forums ad nauseum.
I currently have a discussion going about you specifically with the rest of the moderators. I will be taking issue with you."
Wow, that is really jacked !! He's like that spoiled little kid in school who would always go and tell the teacher whenever someone did something he didn't like !!
Get a life !!! OMG !!
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These aren't a common failure point, unless you've bent them either by jacking or to correct the bush angles after a suspension lift.
The rangerover classic rear lower trailing arms are actually bigger and thicker than discovery and defender items.
Here is the PM I just recieved from FToy.....
"i didn't attack you with my comment. even you agreed with it. stating facts is not some personal attack. You, otoh, have been attacking and cussing freely in the tech forums ad nauseum.
I currently have a discussion going about you specifically with the rest of the moderators. I will be taking issue with you."
Wow, that is really jacked !! He's like that spoiled little kid who would always go and tell the teacher whenever someone did something he didn't like !!
Get a life !!! OMG !!
Its ok, were all grown up (I think?) and we can handle this like gentle men, with really big ratchets and axle shafts. This is ih8mud, lets enjoy this good forum. Put all the hate behind us and let us frolic through the flowers..
Its ok, were all grown up (I think?) and we can handle this like gentle men, with really big ratchets and axle shafts. This is ih8mud, lets enjoy this good forum. Put all the hate behind us and let us frolic through the flowers..
I actually did pm him and said that I was out of line..THAT'S the reply I got back from him..You want to talk about immature !! Can't you block someone you don't want to put up with?? Are we even sure this wacko is even old enough to drive ??
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Well the original post was about the 200... However it has brought Rovers into the picture, and I can't resist getting in on that.
My 2002 Land Rover Discovery II has been a GREAT vehicle. No mechanical problems whatsoever, and it is built like a TANK. I don't know what John is speaking of with 'whimpy parts', but I have not noted anything that looks whimpy on either the Disco, or the Range Rover I own (2001). The Range Rover is also built like a tank, and both vehicles have a lot of mass, and you can feel the structural integrity. Much like a Land Cruiser, so apples to apples in that dept. IMHO.
Now, on resale value, I will be the first to admit that Rovers go down in value QUICKLY. Why, I really don't know. Reliability... all I can say is if you maintain your vehicles, you'll be amazed at how long they last. Rovers DO have the habit of being thirsty for ALTERNATORS. That being the norm, I am suprised the alternator on the Disco has lasted this long, but then I just replaced the alternator on the Range Rover, so who knows.
Which do I like best? Well I fell in love with the Land Cruiser first long ago. However I still have a thing for the Rovers too.... I think that if I had to choose, I'd pick.......
My 2002 Land Rover Discovery II has been a GREAT vehicle. No mechanical problems whatsoever, and it is built like a TANK. I don't know what John is speaking of with 'whimpy parts', but I have not noted anything that looks whimpy on either the Disco, or the Range Rover I own (2001). The Range Rover is also built like a tank, and both vehicles have a lot of mass, and you can feel the structural integrity. Much like a Land Cruiser, so apples to apples in that dept. IMHO.
Now, on resale value, I will be the first to admit that Rovers go down in value QUICKLY. Why, I really don't know. Reliability... all I can say is if you maintain your vehicles, you'll be amazed at how long they last. Rovers DO have the habit of being thirsty for ALTERNATORS. That being the norm, I am suprised the alternator on the Disco has lasted this long, but then I just replaced the alternator on the Range Rover, so who knows.
Which do I like best? Well I fell in love with the Land Cruiser first long ago. However I still have a thing for the Rovers too.... I think that if I had to choose, I'd pick.......
Well the original post was about the 200... However it has brought Rovers into the picture, and I can't resist getting in on that.
My 2002 Land Rover Discovery II has been a GREAT vehicle. No mechanical problems whatsoever, and it is built like a TANK. I don't know what John is speaking of with 'whimpy parts', but I have not noted anything that looks whimpy on either the Disco, or the Range Rover I own (2001). The Range Rover is also built like a tank, and both vehicles have a lot of mass, and you can feel the structural integrity. Much like a Land Cruiser, so apples to apples in that dept. IMHO.
Now, on resale value, I will be the first to admit that Rovers go down in value QUICKLY. Why, I really don't know. Reliability... all I can say is if you maintain your vehicles, you'll be amazed at how long they last. Rovers DO have the habit of being thirsty for ALTERNATORS. That being the norm, I am suprised the alternator on the Disco has lasted this long, but then I just replaced the alternator on the Range Rover, so who knows.
Which do I like best? Well I fell in love with the Land Cruiser first long ago. However I still have a thing for the Rovers too.... I think that if I had to choose, I'd pick.......
I wish I could just morph my RRC with the FJ62..I wish the FJ62 had the RR's engine and Brakes and wish the RR had the room and HVAC that the FJ62 has !!
I wish I could just morph my RRC with the FJ62..I wish the FJ62 had the RR's engine and Brakes and wish the RR had the room and HVAC that the FJ62 has !!
Hmm... you DO have both .... might be an interesting challenge!
