2004 LC Front Diff Metal pieces on magnet 187k miles

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Hello everyone,
Last month I went wheeling in Big Bear after the snow they had, I went through a mud hole that caused my alternator to fail earlier this month. I ordered a high amp alternator and installed it, and everything has been fine since or so I thought.
This past week, I decided to change my diff fluids because I heard some humming noises and thought water had gotten in. When I opened the rear diff fill plug, the fluid looked clean and was dripping out, so I did not change it. I noticed a leak on the transfer case, so I drained and refilled it and added AT205. The leak is now gone, and the magnet only had sludge, no metal flakes or anything shiny. I also greased U joints until grease came out and slip yoke (not enough to move it) to avoid stressing the driveshaft.)
When I went to drain the front diff, the drain plug was extremely tight. To avoid stripping it or causing damage, I sprayed it with PB Blaster and let it soak.
Within the past few days, the humming noise got loud on the freeway from the front. At first, I thought it was dirty front diff fluid or possibly wheel bearings. On Sunday, while driving on the freeway around 70 to 75 mph, I heard a single clunk or pop and immediately slowed down. After I exited, I started hearing clunking at low speeds. It happens from barely moving up to about 30 mph. I thought it might be my U joints needing grease, but greasing them made no difference. The clunking sounded like it was coming from the rear, almost like something was hitting as the tires were turning.
I went ahead and repacked one front passenger wheel bearing thinking I was going to open it up and see dry bearings. The bearing looked great and still had fresh grease throughout, with only a small amount of dirty grease. After the test drive, nothing changed. I also went up 2 snap ring sizes for the CV. I have the slee tool ordered to grease the needle bearing not sure if a needle bearing will make clicking noise and humming.
I then drained the front diff fluid and it was black. When I inspected the magnet, I found a few very small chunks stuck to it, maybe 5 to 8 pieces. I refilled it with fresh fluid, but there was no change in the humming or clunking still the same. I am still thinking the noise is coming from the rear.
I took it to a friend who has access to a lift. With all four wheels in the air and the center diff lock engaged, I pressed the gas while he listened underneath. He said the clunk is coming only from the front diff. Nothing from the rear or transfer case.
I have zero vibrations in the cabin, which is why I do not think it is U joints, even though I already have front and rear U joints on order. My CV axles are OEM and have not slung any grease. I do wheel the truck, but I am not doing hardcore crawling or spinning tires like crazy to shock the diff. I never heard grinding noises from the diff even now the truck drives fine , with no grinding. The only issues are the low speed clunking from the front and the front end humming, almost like I am driving on mud terrains. For reference, I have less than 2k miles on my Falken Wildpeak AT4 tires. They are 255/85/16.
When I purchased the car through auction it already came with armor all around and winch. So previous owners probably wheeled pretty hard in AZ. I am located in SoCal. Just not sure is it the diff? If so what parts can give these symptoms? or can it be something else
Any input is appreciated!
 
Do you have pics of the metal debris? If so attach to post would be helpful.
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these are the shavings there weren’t a lot, size comparison to the razor blade. Still have loud humming on freeway and clunking up to 30mph.
 
Doesn’t look too bad but short of going deeper, do you have extra set of wheel/tires to swap may be coming from the tires or swap front to back to see if the noises follow.
 
Doesn’t look too bad but short of going deeper, do you have extra set of wheel/tires to swap may be coming from the tires or swap front to back to see if the noises follow.
I can but on the lift wheels and tires wouldn’t clunk or whine. On the ground messed up tires can’t make a clunking really either.
 
Pointing to the front diff, a borescope would be helpful. Bad weather here next two weeks so hang tight to wait for suspension experts to weight in.
 
Pointing to the front diff, a borescope would be helpful. Bad weather here next two weeks so hang tight to wait for suspension experts to weight in.
I’m gonna take the front diff apart, I watched a YouTube video that explains how the pinion bearing is the first to get starved or oil. I ordered a pinion bearing master kit from east coast gear supply. I have a feeling it went bad due to neglected diff oil changes and got pitted which is the small chunks.
 
More food for thought for you…

I had a very faint hum this past year. I figured it was just u-joints so I kept those lubed well.

Turns out I had a very slow pinion seal leak. Did a drain and fill of fluid, hum gone. Ordered pinion seal and companion flange on a sale. Just as those arrived, a larger roaring hum started… about 3k miles into the current diff fluid.

I drained into a clear container and found it pretty contaminated.

I currently have a new front diff and all bushings sitting in my office ready to go in. The 15% off sale helped…

3k mile fluid vs new fluid:

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More food for thought for you…

I had a very faint hum this past year. I figured it was just u-joints so I kept those lubed well.

Turns out I had a very slow pinion seal leak. Did a drain and fill of fluid, hum gone. Ordered pinion seal and companion flange on a sale. Just as those arrived, a larger roaring hum started… about 3k miles into the current diff fluid.

I drained into a clear container and found it pretty contaminated.

I currently have a new front diff and all bushings sitting in my office ready to go in. The 15% off sale helped…

3k mile fluid vs new fluid:

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Was your companion flange out of spec? It should be .0035” with a dial gauge. When you turn the companion flange.
 
Was your companion flange out of spec? It should be .0035” with a dial gauge. When you turn the companion flange.
Did not measure. I ordered a new one in case the existing had wear from the seal after 281k miles. But that's moot now since the rest of the diff is so contaminated.

Let me know if you want a new companion flange, seal, and nut. ;)
 
Did not measure. I ordered a new one in case the existing had wear from the seal after 281k miles. But that's moot now since the rest of the diff is so contaminated.

Let me know if you want a new companion flange, seal, and nut. ;)
Sounds good thank you brotha:) What do you think went wrong with the diff? Any clunking or just the humming? I’d be interested if you took it apart to see what was wrong with it
 
Sounds good thank you brotha:) What do you think went wrong with the diff? Any clunking or just the humming? I’d be interested if you took it apart to see what was wrong with it
My guess is I had a pinion seal like for quite a while and it ran the diff low enough on fluid to burn up that bearing. But what likely happened is that metal contamination spread throughout the rest of the unit. I can see metallic swirlies in my 3k mile gear lube.

My hum or whine starts around 30mph and just increases as speed increases. It gets loud between 40-55, but after that road noise takes over.

No clunks.. yet. I am still driving the truck on trips locally as-is until I can budget the time to get the new diff in. I won't be taking the old one apart myself, but plan to send it to someone who can repurpose it.
 
My guess is I had a pinion seal like for quite a while and it ran the diff low enough on fluid to burn up that bearing. But what likely happened is that metal contamination spread throughout the rest of the unit. I can see metallic swirlies in my 3k mile gear lube.

My hum or whine starts around 30mph and just increases as speed increases. It gets loud between 40-55, but after that road noise takes over.

No clunks.. yet. I am still driving the truck on trips locally as-is until I can budget the time to get the new diff in. I won't be taking the old one apart myself, but plan to send it to someone who can repurpose it.
Where are you located? I’d be interested if you have 03-07 diff. YouTube video explains how the pinion bearing is usually the first to go with humming. He also had swirlies in his oil and after changing the bearings it was all good according to the YouTube videos. I think mine might’ve been low on oil or old, never seen a leak.
 
Thank you. That's kind of you, but I already have that part taken care of. :)
I took apart the diff and there was this chunk also one tooth missing. I took it to get rebuilt along with bearings.
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New ring and pinion installed. Following the correct break in procedure. They provided 75-140w oil for the front diff. Clunking is gone as that was the pinion gear hitting the missing ring tooth. However I still have a hum not sure if it’s from the new diff, or my spindle bearings have to be greased with the SLEE tool.

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I went ahead and greased up the back of the knuckle while I had it open, needle bearing looked good just dirty still chasing the humming. Will report back after greasing and driving some more. My tires are also brand new falken at4w but not sure maybe they could be feathering or cupping. If I grease the spindle and no changes I will rotate tires to see if it makes a difference.
 
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